Where Does the Energy Go When Gravity Changes an Asteroid's Trajectory?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy dynamics involved when an asteroid's trajectory is altered due to gravitational interactions with Earth. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy, and the conservation of energy, while questioning the implications of these interactions on energy sources and depletion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how energy is conserved when an asteroid's trajectory is changed by Earth's gravity, suggesting it implies unlimited free energy.
  • Another participant explains that the energy involved is potential energy from the gravitational field, which can convert to kinetic energy, though this conversion does not occur in all scenarios.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the gravitational field does not deplete energy when it "gives" energy to the asteroid, leading to a discussion on the nature of potential energy.
  • One participant asserts that the conservation of energy is maintained, stating that the change in gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy is zero in isolation.
  • Another participant points out a contradiction in the argument that the gravitational field can give away energy while remaining unchanged, suggesting a need for foundational understanding of physics concepts.
  • One participant introduces the idea that an asteroid's close passage could alter Earth's rotation or trajectory, although the effects may be negligible due to the mass difference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational potential energy and its implications for energy conservation. There is no consensus on the source of potential energy or the effects of gravitational interactions on energy depletion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference foundational concepts in physics, indicating potential limitations in understanding the relationship between gravitational fields and energy transfer. The discussion highlights unresolved questions regarding the implications of gravitational interactions.

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Hi,

I would like some help with the following question that has been bothering me.

If energy is not created or destroyed then how does the following work:

Consider an asteroid traveling close enough to the Earth to have its trajectory changed due to the gravitational interaction with the earth. The asteroid is far enough so it passes by, and does not fall to Earth or travel through the atmosphere. Energy was used to change its trajectory that is an outcome of the gravitational interaction (force was exerted and work was done). The gravitational field of Earth or the asteroid are not change since they are related to their respective masses which were not changed. In fact you can have a new asteroid travel like that every second with no depletion of Earth’s gravitational field. This seems like unlimited free energy being used.

Any ideas on where the energy that is used to change the trajectory is taken away from? Where do we see depletion in energy?

Thanks for your help.
 
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You should consider picking up an introductory conceptual physics textbook.

The energy would begin as 'potential energy,' (stored in the gravitational field between the two bodies), and would then be converted to kinetic energy (although that doesn't necessarily happen in all cases, e.g. a stable orbit).
 
I understand that.
I am looking for the source of the potential energy.
Once the asteroid received the potential energy it will spend it as kinetic. That’s obvious.
Remember that the potential energy source is the gravitational field. As it is “giving” the energy to the asteroid it is not depleted in any way.
 
ofirgil said:
Hi,

I would like some help with the following question that has been bothering me.

If energy is not created or destroyed then how does the following work:

Consider an asteroid traveling close enough to the Earth to have its trajectory changed due to the gravitational interaction with the earth. The asteroid is far enough so it passes by, and does not fall to Earth or travel through the atmosphere. Energy was used to change its trajectory that is an outcome of the gravitational interaction (force was exerted and work was done). The gravitational field of Earth or the asteroid are not change since they are related to their respective masses which were not changed. In fact you can have a new asteroid travel like that every second with no depletion of Earth’s gravitational field. This seems like unlimited free energy being used.

Any ideas on where the energy that is used to change the trajectory is taken away from? Where do we see depletion in energy?

Thanks for your help.

There is no violation of the conservation of energy here. Every mass in the universe has energy between every other mass in the universe. This energy is called gravitational potential energy. The change in gravitational potential energy and the change of kinetic energy between any two objects will always be zero in isolation. Just because an asteroid speeds up, doesn't mean that energy is being created and added to the asteroid. The potential energy is being converted into kinetic energy. Therefore, energy is still conserved
 
The thing is, these two things are contradictory:

ofirgil said:
That’s obvious.
Remember that the potential energy source is the gravitational field. As it is “giving” the energy to the asteroid it is not depleted in any way.
ofirgil said:
The gravitational field of Earth or the asteroid are not change since they are related to their respective masses which were not changed.

Grav. field can't both "give" away its energy, and have the grav field "not change"d in anyway.
As I said. You should get an introductory conceptual physics textbook.
 
An asteroid passing close to our Earth WILL alter the Earth's' rotation, trajectory around the sun, or both.
However, considering the mass difference, this effect may not even be measurable with current instrumentation; thus, the effect might have a negligible influence.
 

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