Where does the x/3 come from in trigonometric substitution?

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The discussion revolves around the use of trigonometric substitution in integrals, specifically focusing on the integral \(\int \frac{\sqrt{9 - x^2}}{x^2} dx\). Participants are exploring the relationship between the variable \(x\) and trigonometric functions, particularly how \(x/3\) arises in the context of the substitution \(x = 3 \sin \theta\).

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  • Participants discuss the origin of the expression \(x/3\) in relation to the substitution \(x = 3 \sin \theta\). There are inquiries about how to interpret trigonometric identities and their geometric representations in a right triangle. Some participants express confusion about the triangle setup and the transition back to the variable \(x\).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the trigonometric relationships and the geometric interpretation of the problem. Some have clarified the connection between sine and cosine in the context of the triangle, while others are still grappling with the concepts presented.

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Participants note a lack of clarity in the original lecture and textbook explanations regarding the geometric interpretation of trigonometric substitution. The discussion highlights the need for a deeper understanding of the relationships between the sides of the triangle and the trigonometric functions involved.

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This is an example from the book. Evaluate [tex] \int {\frac{{\sqrt {9 - x^2 } }}{{x^2 }}dx} [/tex]

I understand all the steps that get me up to [tex]= - \cos \theta \, - \theta \, + C[/tex]

Then the book goes on to explain:
"Since this is an indefinate integral, we must return to the original variable x. This can be done either by using trig identities to express cot theta in terms of sin theta=x/3 or by drawing a diagram, as in Fig. 1, where theta is intrepreted as an angle of a right triangle. Since sin theta = x/3..."

Where does this x/3 come from? The steps that follow make sense, but how did we know to just pull an x/3 out of the air and start using it?


Applying this to a homework question [tex]\int_{}^{} {x^3 \sqrt {9 - x^2 } } dx[/tex] I come up with [tex]243\left( {\frac{{\cos ^5 \theta }}{5} - \frac{{\cos ^3 \theta }}{3}} \right) + C[/tex]

Now, switching it back to x, I'm going to guess that [tex]{\sqrt {9 - x^2 } }[/tex] becomes the adjacent side of my triangle, but for no good reason other than the example of the book pulled the sqrt() out of the original equation and did the same.

I just don't get this triangle stuff. The lecture didn't do it for me, and the book's explanation doesn't do it for me either >:-(
 
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tony873004 said:
This is an example from the book. Evaluate [tex] \int {\frac{{\sqrt {9 - x^2 } }}{{x^2 }}dx} [/tex]

I understand all the steps that get me up to [tex]= - \cos \theta \, - \theta \, + C[/tex]

Then the book goes on to explain:
"Since this is an indefinate integral, we must return to the original variable x. This can be done either by using trig identities to express cot theta in terms of sin theta=x/3 or by drawing a diagram, as in Fig. 1, where theta is intrepreted as an angle of a right triangle. Since sin theta = x/3..."

Where does this x/3 come from? The steps that follow make sense, but how did we know to just pull an x/3 out of the air and start using it?

Nope, in the early steps of the solution, the author used the substitution:

[tex]x = 3 \sin \theta[/tex], so, rearrange it a bit, we'll have: [tex]\sin \theta = \frac{x}{3}[/tex]
Applying this to a homework question [tex]\int_{}^{} {x^3 \sqrt {9 - x^2 } } dx[/tex] I come up with [tex]243\left( {\frac{{\cos ^5 \theta }}{5} - \frac{{\cos ^3 \theta }}{3}} \right) + C[/tex]

Ok, so far, so good.

Now, switching it back to x, I'm going to guess that [tex]{\sqrt {9 - x^2 } }[/tex] becomes the adjacent side of my triangle, but for no good reason other than the example of the book pulled the sqrt() out of the original equation and did the same.

I just don't get this triangle stuff. The lecture didn't do it for me, and the book's explanation doesn't do it for me either >:-(

Well, no, you have:
[tex]3 \sin \theta = x, \quad \theta \in \left[ -\frac{\pi}{2} ; \ \frac{\pi}{2} \right][/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow \sin \theta = \frac{x}{3}[/tex]

We'll now try to express cos(theta) in terms of x, since we have: [tex]\theta \in \left[ -\frac{\pi}{2} ; \ \frac{\pi}{2} \right][/tex], that means theta is in the first, and forth quadrant. So, it's cosine value will be positive.

Pythagorean Theorem states that: [tex]\cos ^ 2 \theta + \sin ^ 2 \theta = 1[/tex], so:

[tex]\Rightarrow \cos \theta = \sqrt{1 - \sin ^ 2 \theta} = \sqrt{1 - \frac{x ^ 2}{9}}[/tex].

Now, sub this to the expression above, and it's done.

Can you get it? Is it clear? :)
 
You keep avoiding mentioning the original substitution: [itex]3 sin(\theta)= x[/itex] or [itex]sin(\theta)= x/3[/itex]!
You solution involves [itex]cos(\theta)[/itex]. In order to convert back to the original x, you need to figure out what [itex]cos(\theta)[/itex] is from knowing what [itex]sin(\theta)[/itex] is. Since sine is defined as "opposite side divided by hypotenuse", imagine (or better draw) a right triangle with "opposite side" of length x and "hypotenuse" of length three. You can use the Pythagorean theorem to find that the length of the "near side" is [itex]\sqrt{9- x^2}[/itex] and, since cosine is "near side divided by hypotenuse", [itex]cos(\theta)= \sqrt{9-x^2}/3[/itex] which could also be written [itex]\sqrt{1- x^2/9}[/itex].
 
Thanks for the replies. It makes a lot more sense now :)
 

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