Where to Get Sodium Silicate (Liquid Glass) for Head Gasket Repair

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The discussion centers around the availability and use of sodium silicate, commonly referred to as liquid glass, for repairing head gasket leaks in vehicles. Participants explore sources for obtaining sodium silicate, methods for making it, and considerations regarding its application, particularly in relation to different engine types.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that sodium silicate can be found in hardware stores, often sold as adhesive or caulking for stoves and chimneys, though it may not be labeled explicitly as sodium silicate.
  • Others discuss methods for making sodium silicate by dissolving glass powder with sodium or potassium hydroxide or carbonate, noting that this process can be complex and potentially hazardous.
  • One participant mentions that sodium silicate is still used in pottery slip, indicating that pottery supply stores may carry it.
  • Concerns are raised about using sodium silicate in aluminum alloy engine blocks, as it may cause corrosion, especially at high temperatures, and could be detrimental if the antifreeze used is low-silicate.
  • Some participants argue that in desperate situations, using sodium silicate might be necessary, while others recommend seeking proper repairs instead of using additives.
  • Warnings are given about the corrosive nature of sodium silicate and the risks associated with attempting to make it without professional knowledge or equipment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety and appropriateness of using sodium silicate in various engine types, particularly concerning aluminum components. There is no consensus on the best approach to take regarding head gasket repairs, with some advocating for its use in emergencies and others cautioning against it.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of sourcing and using sodium silicate, with limitations noted in terms of availability and the potential risks associated with its application in certain engine types.

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does anyone know where i can get Sodium silicate or how to make it.
it is nick named liquid glass and mechanics use it to repair head gasket leaks
by pouring it in the radiator , and you can't get it at auto parts stores anymore.

it is (Na2)(Si)(O3)
 
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IIRC, I got some a few years back at a fairly ordinary hardware store. It's sold as adhesive/caulking for for stoves/chimneys, their gaskets and similar. It's probably not labelled "sodium silicate" so check the contents on the label. (the one I found was 100% sodium silicate)
 
nice thanks
 
cragar said:
does anyone know where i can get Sodium silicate or how to make it.
it is nick named liquid glass and mechanics use it to repair head gasket leaks
by pouring it in the radiator , and you can't get it at auto parts stores anymore.

it is (Na2)(Si)(O3)
If you want to make it, but it's not exactly easy, you can dissolve glass powder with sodium or potassium hydroxide or carbonate in a suitable container (the best is silver but probably you can also use nickel or nickel-crome metal). You heat to melt the hydroxide or carbonate and wait...
You could use an acqueous solution instead of the melted chemicals, and heat it, but it's much longer.
 
sweet sounds good.
 
You don't find sodium silicate around too many places nowadays. The only place where it is still used routinely is in pottery slip. You should be able to find it in any well-stocked pottery supply store.
 
I have heard that certain engine blocks made of aluminum alloy - especially foreign makes, utilize antifreeze that is specifically low-silicate for the purpose of low abrasion in the water jacket. If you have a head gasket leak, and you have one of these types of engine bolocks, it may prove to be detrimental to add silicates to the coolant. If the situation is desparate, such as being stranded without mechanic support or without resources to accomplish a repair and transportation is vital, I suppose you have no other choice. Otherwise with low risk situations, it is better to go to the nearest auto parts store, purchase a Haynes or Chiltons repair manual, study it, and buy the parts to effect a head-gasket repair. Like any other event , weigh expense of self or mechanic repair versus loss of money by not having the transportation available. If you are mechanically handy, then you might justify the expenditure for extra tools which may be used for other jobs in the future, or be able to be written off in taxes if you have your own registered business.
 
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lightarrow said:
If you want to make it, but it's not exactly easy, you can dissolve glass powder with sodium or potassium hydroxide or carbonate in a suitable container (the best is silver but probably you can also use nickel or nickel-crome metal). You heat to melt the hydroxide or carbonate and wait...
You could use an acqueous solution instead of the melted chemicals, and heat it, but it's much longer.

If you are not a professional chemist with access to a professional lab this is not something you should try. It is a about as corrosive to living tissue as anything can get.
 
Gary Viveiros said:
I have heard that certain engine blocks made of aluminum alloy - especially foreign makes, utilize antifreeze that is specifically low-silicate for the purpose of low abrasion in the water jacket. If you have a head gasket leak, and you have one of these types of engine bolocks, it may prove to be detrimental to add silicates to the coolant. If the situation is desparate, such as being stranded without mechanic support or without resources to accomplish a repair and transportation is vital, I suppose you have no other choice. Otherwise with low risk situations, it is better to go to the nearest auto parts store, purchase a Haynes or Chiltons repair manual, study it, and buy the parts to effect a head-gasket repair. Like any other event , weigh expense of self or mechanic repair versus loss of money by not having the transportation available. If you are mechanically handy, then you might justify the expenditure for extra tools which may be used for other jobs in the future, or be able to be written off in taxes if you have your own registered business.

You shouldn't use sodium silicate in any system that has aluminum components, IMO. It severely corrodes Al, especially at high temperatures.
 

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