Where to place fixed axis of rotating motor

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The discussion centers on the mechanics of torque application in rotating motors, particularly in the context of using a hand drill or electric screwdriver. Participants explore the relationship between the fixed axis of rotation, the application of force, and the generation of torque, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a fixed angle between the motor's fixed axis and the torque applied opposite to the motor's rotation, particularly in the context of using a screwdriver.
  • Another participant asks if there is a way to apply torque without a radius, reiterating the relationship of torque as force multiplied by radius.
  • A participant suggests that an axial force can generate torque through an intermediate mechanism, citing examples such as automatic screwdrivers and watchmakers' drills.
  • Another participant emphasizes that torque must still be applied to tools, which cannot be achieved without a lever arm, aligning with the original poster's inquiry.

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Participants express differing views on the application of torque and the necessity of a lever arm, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the mechanics of torque and the design of tools, with limitations in the exploration of alternative methods for torque application without a radius.

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is there a fixed angle between the fixed axis of a motor to the torque applied opposite to the motor rotation?
an example is if i am using and electric screw driver to rotate a spiral screw in stable piece of wood on the floor, what should be my fixed frame if the screwdriver is I shaped and pointing down. how should i know my fixed frame and can my fixed frame be applied by weight of my hand on the screwdriver not in the opposite direction of rotation or it has to be applied by putting torque (weight) opposite to the rotation motion. I'm trying to design a hand drill like the screwdriver without a fixed frame, so i was wondering if it is possible. assume that the bit of the screwdriver is in contact with the wood( inside it) can i apply weight on top of the screwdriver to overcome the torque of the wood on the bit or it has to be applied with radius. i know that torque is force x radius but is there any other way to apply torque without radius?
 
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ahmed11 said:
know that torque is force x radius but is there any other way to apply torque without radius?
I there a way to make force x 0 not equal to 0 ?
 
An axial force can be used to generate a torque if there is an intermediate mechanism . The most common mechanism is the one used in so called 'automatic' screwdrivers where a nut is pushed along a long pitch helix . Many varieties of detail design .

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A watchmakers drill uses the same principle . Sometimes called an Archimedean drill . Again many varieties of detail design .

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Nidum said:
An axial force can be used to generate a torque
You still must apply a torque to those tools, which you cannot do without a lever arm (as the OP wants to).
 

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