Which ball has the highest velocity just before ground

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The problem involves three identical balls thrown from the top of a building with the same initial speed but different launch angles: horizontally, at an angle above the horizontal, and at an angle below the horizontal. The question is which ball has the highest speed just before hitting the ground, with air resistance neglected.

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  • Participants discuss the effects of gravitational acceleration on the balls' velocities, considering initial speeds and angles of projection. There is an exploration of the kinematic equations and conservation of energy principles. Some participants question the assumptions about the influence of initial velocity and the direction of motion on final speed.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different perspectives on the final velocities of the balls. Some guidance has been provided regarding conservation of energy and the relationship between potential and kinetic energy. There is recognition of the complexity of the problem, with some participants expressing confusion about the implications of vector components.

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There is an acknowledgment of the initial conditions and the assumption of neglecting air resistance. Participants are grappling with the implications of different launch angles and initial velocities on the final outcomes.

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My girlfriend recently took a physics exam, and she was confused about why she got one of the problems wrong. She asked me hoping I could clear it up. Heres my attempt

Homework Statement


Three Identical balls are thrown from the top of a building, all with the same initial speed. Ball A is thorwn horizontally, ball B at an angle above the horizontal and ball c at the same angle but below the horizontal. Neglecting air resistance, which ball has the highest speed just before they hit the ground

a) Ball A has the highest
b) Ball B has the highest
c) Ball C has the highest (My girlfriends guess)
d) Balls B and C have same speed
e) Three balls have the same speed (The correct answer)

Homework Equations



She didnt write anything down, but id assume the kinematic equations


The Attempt at a Solution


She wrote "It is C because it is thrown downward, so its not just gravity pulling/pushing it down"

The problem seems pretty straight forward. According to the problem air resistance is neglected, so its essentially like working in a vacuum. So since the ball is constantly under the influence of a gravitational field, it should continue to accelerate (Until it of course is stopped by the ground). Since Ball A is thrown at a horizontal, the y component of the velocity is still zero, so the final velocity is simply \sqrt{2g(y_{f}-y_{i})}. Ball B is thrown above the horizontal (lets assume straight up, since the x component is irrelevant in this scenario). The ball will go up, get to a peak, and then begin to fall. this point will be called y_{p} where y_{p}>y_{i}. since at y_{p}, V_{i} = 0, the final velocity is \sqrt{2g(y_{f}-y_{p})}. Ball C is throw down. Let's again ignore the x component. the difference this time is that the is a V_{i}. so for the final velocity, we have \sqrt{V^{2}_{i}+ 2g(y_{f}-y_{i})}

From what I wrote above, it should seem clear that V_{fballA} < V_{fballb}, V_{fballC} since both Ball B and Ball C have terms that would increase the final velocity over Ball A's. Ball B had more distance to fall (thus more time to accelerate), and Ball C had an initial velocity. Furthermore, we can prove (im not going to to) the magnitude of the velocity of Ball B initially is the same as the next time it passes y_{i}, so essentially, the final velocitys of Ball B and C should be the same.

I think after developing my argument this much, i might have run into a snag. my mind is now thinking that if I throw the ball down, i will lose time spent under the influence of gravity. maybe that's why they all hit the ground with the same velocity. my last argument is kind of a weak one, but here it goes. If I through the ball at the almost the speed of light towards the ground, it would get to the ground at roughly the same speed. I just don't see it being possible for the ball thrown horizontally to be able to go the fast from essentially just dropping it.

Ive managed to confuse myself. I originally believed D, but now I am not sure.
 
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Think conservation of energy.
 
If you would calculate what the height of the peak was, you would see that
B has the same final velocity as C
The velocity in the x direction is larger for ball A, this makes up for the smaller downwards velocity of A.

The easiest way to see all this is with conservation of energy. In all cases, the loss of potential energy is the same, so the gain of potential energy is also the same. Since the initial speed and initital kinetic energy is the same, the final kinetic energy and thus the speed will also be the same.
 
I see my problem now.

Velocity is a vector. i kept thinking y direction. argh
 

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