Which Books Cover Dimensional Analysis in Differential Equations?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for books that cover dimensional analysis and scaling in the context of differential equations, particularly for a second-year course. Participants express a need for resources that start from basic concepts and progress to applications in fluid flow and related topics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests recommendations for books that cover dimensional analysis and scaling in differential equations, specifically for applications like vertical projectile motion with air resistance.
  • Another participant suggests that most continuum mechanics or fluid mechanics books include sections on scaling and dimensional analysis, recommending "Mathematics Applied to Continuum Mechanics" by Segel.
  • A participant shares a specific example involving the one-dimensional heat equation and expresses confusion about non-dimensionalizing it, seeking help with estimating time scaling.
  • In response, another participant provides hints on non-dimensionalizing the equations and discusses the significance of the characteristic velocity and the units of thermal diffusivity.
  • One participant asks for clarification on what value to set for L in their example and reiterates their search for a suitable book on the topic.
  • Another participant emphasizes that dimensional analysis is meant for rough estimates and highlights the importance of understanding the significance of dimensionless quantities in the context of gravitational and viscous forces.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received and notes difficulties in understanding the material as taught by their professor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of dimensional analysis and scaling in differential equations, but there is no consensus on specific book recommendations or teaching methods. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and approaches to the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in their current coursework, such as a lack of coverage on fluid mechanics and continuum mechanics, which may affect their understanding of dimensional analysis in practice.

qspeechc
Messages
839
Reaction score
15
Hi everyone. Can someone recommend a book that covers dimensional analysis/scaling with Differential Equations? All the books I've looked at on DEs have very little on dimensional analysis/scaling.
For instance, I set up a DE for vertical projectile motion with air resistance, I want to use scaling to reject insignificant terms, find the time scale etc. and thus simplify the DE and make approximations. Can anyone recommend such a book? And what level will it be? I need it for a 2nd year course on DEs.

Thanks.

EDIT: Ok, I realize that was a simple, maybe trivial (I don't think so), example of using dimensional analysis. But I'd like something that starts from the beginning, i.e. assuming you have NO knowledge of dimensional analysis, up to examples like the one I gave, and then up to stuff like dimensional analysis for fluid flow, Buckingham Pi theorem of course, and other stuff etc.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Most continuum mechanics or fluid mechanics books have a section on scaling and dimensional analysis. A cheap one (Dover) is:

Mathematics applied to continuum mechanics, Segel.

One trick to remember is that a term like d/dt has units of 1/[T], and d/dx has units of 1/[L]. If you post your simple example, we can step through it.
 
Thanks for offering to help me Resnik. Like I say, I am only doing a 2nd year course on Differential Equations, one of the modules is modelling. We haven't actually looked at fluid mechanics or continuum mechanics, but we look at them as problems of dimensional analysis.

Ok, take for instance this question we were given:

The one-dimensional heat equation is

\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial t}=\kappa \frac{\partial^2\theta}{\partial x^2}

where kappa is the thermal diffusivity and theta the temperature. If a substance has kappa = 10^-6 and is 50cm wide, estimate the time taken for a significant change in temperature.

So the are asking us to find the time scaling, i.e., we will scale time thusly: t = aT, where the new time variable is 'T', and 'a' the scaling, so find 'a'.

Note we haven't actually done the heat equation, we only want to non-dimensionalise it.

Another example:

A layer of honey flows down a surface and its motion is given by:

\mu \frac{\partial^2u}{\partial z^2} + \rho.g = 0

where u is the speed. Without solving the equation, estimate the flow velocity for a 3mm thick layer if rho = 1021, mu = 1, g = 9.8.

Which is a similar question as the first, asking for a velocity scale, simplifications etc.

Again, we haven't actually done fluid flow, we only want to scale it/ non-dimensionalise it.

I am completely lost with such questions. Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Last edited:
I can give a couple of hints. For the second equation:

<br /> \mu \frac{\partial^2u}{\partial z^2} + \rho.g = 0<br />

I can non-dimensionalize this to get:

<br /> \frac{\partial^2u}{\partial z^2} =-\frac{L^2}{U_0}* \frac{\rho.g}{\mu} = 0<br />

Where -\frac{L^2}{U_0}* \frac{\rho.g}{\mu} is dimensionless. To get a characteristic velocity set this equal to 1 (why not?), plug in what you have and see what U_0 is.

Now take your first equation:

<br /> \frac{\partial\theta}{\partial t}=\kappa \frac{\partial^2\theta}{\partial x^2}<br />

This tells me that the units of \kappa are L^2/T. You have a number for the diffusivity (I think a hint is that kappa is not given in terms of units), and a number for the length, I get T = 250000 seconds. (kappa in MKS units, not cgs units). That seems long...
 
Oh, sorry bout the late reply. Hmm, ok I get the first one, but what will we set L equal to?

And do you know a book that would go over this kinda stuff?

Thanks for the help.
 
Set L equal to 3 mm- that's what's given in the problem.

Dimensional analysis is to get a *rough estimate*, nothing more. It's also good to get an idea of what is important. For example, the dimensionless quantity \frac{L^2}{U_0}* \frac{\rho.g}{\mu} looks a lot like the ratio of gravitational force and viscous force (I haven't double checked, so YMMV). So if the quantity is large, gravitational effects are important, while if the number is small, viscous effects are important.

I'm not sure there is a book... my advisor taught it to me just by working problems. It's not a difficult thing to do, but for some reason it's not widely done.
 
Thanks a lot for you help Andy Resnick. Our prof is trying to teach us this stuff, but he doesn't explain it too well, and I'm struggling with this part, which is why I asked about a book. But thanks a lot for your help.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Sticky
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
13K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K