Which conditions should I check to see if a quadrilateral is a square?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the conditions necessary to determine if a given quadrilateral is a square, based on the coordinates of its vertices. Participants explore various geometric properties and conditions that could be checked, including side lengths, angles, and diagonal relationships.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest checking if all four sides are equal and if at least one angle is a right angle to determine if a quadrilateral is a square.
  • Others propose that in a plane, having all four sides equal plus one right angle is sufficient for it to be a square.
  • There are suggestions to check if opposite sides are parallel and if the diagonals are equal as alternative conditions.
  • Some participants argue that measuring two adjacent angles is necessary to confirm squareness, as measuring any two interior angles alone may not suffice.
  • It is mentioned that if all four sides are equal, then checking that two adjacent sides are equal and that two angles are right could be necessary, as this would rule out other quadrilaterals like trapeziums.
  • Concerns are raised about the sufficiency of checking only the diagonals or only the sides, with some asserting that equal diagonals alone do not confirm a square without checking adjacent sides.
  • Participants discuss the implications of having three equal sides and two equal diagonals, questioning whether the fourth side must also be equal without direct verification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the conditions needed to confirm a quadrilateral as a square, with no consensus reached on a definitive set of conditions. There are competing models and reasoning presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some conditions discussed depend on the geometric properties of quadrilaterals and may vary based on the specific definitions or assumptions made about the figures involved.

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Conditions to check if a quadrilateral is a square
If I'm given the coordinates (edit: in a plane) of 4 vertices of a quadrilateral, which conditions should I check to see if it is a square? Will it be sufficient if I check if -
  1. all 4 sides are equal
  2. all 4 angles are right angles (or even 2 angles are right angles?)
or are there other conditions I need to check as well? Can I check any alternate set of conditions to verify if it's a square?
 
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murshid_islam said:
TL;DR Summary: Conditions to check if a quadrilateral is a square

If I'm given the coordinates of 4 vertices of a quadrilateral, which conditions should I check to see if it is a square? Will it be sufficient if I check if -
  1. all 4 sides are equal
  2. all 4 angles are right angles (or even 2 angles are right angles?)
or are there other conditions I need to check as well? Can I check any alternate set of conditions to verify if it's a square?
These are coordinates in a plane? i.e. ordered pairs? Or coordinates in 3-space? i.e. ordered triples?

If you are working in the plane, all four sides equal plus one right angle means that it is a square.

In three space, one angle alone won't do it, but it seems clear that four would. However, a check that the cross products of all four pairs of adjacent sides are equal might be more convenient.
 
jbriggs444 said:
These are coordinates in a plane? i.e. ordered pairs?
Yes, coordinates in a plane. Thank you. Edited my original post.
 
jbriggs444 said:
If you are working in the plane, all four sides equal plus one right angle means that it is a square.
Any other alternate set of conditions I can check? Like checking if the opposite sides are parallel and the diagonals are equal?
 
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murshid_islam said:
Any other alternate set of conditions I can check? Like checking if the opposite sides are parallel and the diagonals are equal?
With cartesian coordinates in the plane, compute the vector difference between each pair of adjacent endpoints. Two differences should be equal and opposite. The other two should be equal to the transpose of the first with one coordinate negated.
 
murshid_islam said:
Will it be sufficient if I check if -
  1. all 4 sides are equal
  2. all 4 angles are right angles (or even 2 angles are right angles?)
Assuming that both conditions are satisfied, these should be sufficient. If you have determined only that all four sides are equal, the figure could be a rhombus, sort of a diamond shape. If you also determine that two of the interior angles are equal, then that narrows things down to a specific kind of rhombus; namely a square.
 
Mark44 said:
If you also determine that two of the interior angles are equal, then that narrows things down to a specific kind of rhombus; namely a square.
Wait. Correct me of I'm wrong but "Interior angles" in a closed polygon simply refers to any of the angles inside. (Here's a polygon with no parallels, to make the point):

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I think you're thinking of this:

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which is not a polygon, let alone a quadrilateral.


So to determine that a quadrilateral (a closed polygon) is square, you couldn't measure any two interior angles, since a quadrilateral has two pairs of equal interior angles. You'd have to measure adjacent angles.

Yes?
 
DaveC426913 said:
So to determine that a quadrilateral (a closed polygon) is square, you couldn't measure any two interior angles, since a quadrilateral has two pairs of equal interior angles. You'd have to measure adjacent angles.
@Mark44 specifically mentioned a rhombus -- a four sided plane figure with four equal sides.

But yes, in a rhombus, the opposite angles are always equal and a test for squareness would be that two adjacent angles (and, therefore, all four angles) are equal.
 
jbriggs444 said:
@Mark44 specifically mentioned a rhombus -- a four sided plane figure with four equal sides
Yes, but his criteria weren't sufficient to determine if its a square, which what i thought was his point.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Yes, but his criteria weren't sufficient to determine if its a square, which what i thought was his point.
I misspoke a bit. I meant two interior right angles but wrote only equal interior angles, to elaborate on what the OP wrote. Sometimes the brain doesn't communicate well with the fingers.
 
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If you verify that 4 sides are equal, then it is sufficient to check that any one angle is right.
You don´t have to check that 4 angles are right, because if 3 angles are right, the fourth is. But checking that 2 angles are right is not enough because a trapezium has these. Indeed, that 3 (and therefore 4) angles are right is not enough because an oblong has these. You would need to check that 2 adjacent sides are equal, and 3 angles right. (2 adjacent sides equal and 2 angles right is, again, possible for a trapezium).
 
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4 sides equal and both diagonals are equal.
 
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Svein said:
4 sides equal and both diagonals are equal.
🤔 How do you know the diagonals are equal if the diagonals are not in the diagram, let alone labelled such?

Is this a square?
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DaveC426913 said:
🤔 How do you know the diagonals are equal if the diagonals are not in the diagram, let alone labelled such?

Is this a square?
View attachment 359009
Just because the four sides are equal, it isn't necessarily a square. It could be a rhombus. That's the reason for checking to see if the diagonals are equal.
 
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Mark44 said:
Just because the four sides are equal, it isn't necessarily a square. It could be a rhombus. That's the reason for checking to see if the diagonals are equal.
And if two diagonals are equal, there is no point checking that four sides are equal. You need to check that two adjacent sides are equal.
 
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snorkack said:
And if two diagonals are equal, there is no point checking that four sides are equal. You need to check that two adjacent sides are equal.
Then this is a square? Two equal adjacent sides and two equal diagonals.

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jbriggs444 said:
Then this is a square? Two equal adjacent sides and two equal diagonals.

View attachment 359150
Ouch! You´re right!
I was thinking of counterexample of oblong (two equal diagonals but the adjacent sides differ).
So how many sides need to be equal if two diagonals are? If three sides are equal and so are two diagonals, is the fourth side equal without checking?
 
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snorkack said:
Ouch! You´re right!
I was thinking of counterexample of oblong (two equal diagonals but the adjacent sides differ).
So how many sides need to be equal if two diagonals are? If three sides are equal and so are two diagonals, is the fourth side equal without checking?
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