Which Formula for Friction Factor in Rough and Smooth Pipes?

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The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate formula for calculating the friction factor in fluid flow through pipes, specifically addressing the von Karman and Prandtl laws for both rough and smooth pipes. The original poster seeks guidance on which formula to apply given the lack of specification regarding the pipe's surface condition.

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  • Participants discuss the need to consider both formulas for rough and smooth pipes, with one suggesting to assume a reasonable roughness value for comparison. There are questions about how to proceed without clear information on the pipe's condition and how to calculate the friction factor for smooth pipes using the provided laws.

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Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, including calculating the Reynolds number and comparing friction factors for both pipe types. There is no explicit consensus on which value to choose, as the discussion is still ongoing and participants are seeking further input.

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The original poster notes that the problem does not specify whether the pipe is smooth or rough, which is a critical factor in determining the correct formula to use. Additionally, there is mention of using a scientific calculator to derive values for the friction factors.

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there are 2 formula of vont karman and prandit laws to find the friction factorfor rough pipe and smooth pipe , which formula should i use for this question?
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P/ s : I'm asked to find the friction factor using the vont karman and prandit laws.

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it didnt stated whether it's smooth or rough pipe , which formula should we use?
 
I was going to propose you do both (assuming some reasonable ##e## for galvanized ion pipe ) and compare ... :smile:

On the other hand, you do have the data to calculate Re so I certainly wouldn't leave out that one...
 
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I was going to propose you do both (assuming some reasonable ##e## for galvanized ion pipe ) and compare ... :smile:

On the other hand, you do have the data to calculate Re so I certainly wouldn't leave out that one...
well , i have found that the f for rough pipe is 0.017 , nut i am not sure how to find f for smooth pipe using von karman and Prandlt laws ... for smooth pipe , i have 1 / ( surd f ) = 2 log [(3.72 x 10^5) (surd f ) / 2.51 ]

P/ s: by using scientific calculator , i get the f for smooth pipe is 0.014 , which value should i choose ? f= 0.017 or 0.014 ?
 
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Nidum said:
Edit : Duplicate information removed .
so , do you have any comment on this question / which is correct ?
 

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