Which is the utility of a PhD in USA?

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The discussion revolves around the utility and value of a PhD in the USA, particularly for individuals who do not wish to pursue a teaching career. Participants explore the potential industrial job opportunities for PhDs, the perception of PhDs in various industries, and the financial implications of obtaining a PhD in different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the value of a PhD in industry, suggesting that specialized knowledge may not be appreciated or sought after by employers.
  • Others argue that there are indeed industrial jobs available for PhDs, particularly in fields like Nuclear Medicine and high-tech industries.
  • A participant mentions that in Canada, a PhD in High Energy Physics may not lead to employment opportunities, indicating a broader skepticism about the utility of a PhD for job prospects.
  • Concerns are raised about the financial viability of pursuing a PhD, with some participants sharing experiences of low salaries for PhDs in their respective countries.
  • There are mixed views on whether having a PhD enhances employability, with some suggesting it could hinder job prospects outside of academia due to perceptions of overqualification.
  • One participant shares a positive perspective, citing numerous opportunities in the US for PhDs, particularly in government research roles.
  • Some participants express that pursuing a PhD should be driven by passion rather than employment prospects.
  • There are mentions of the necessity for continuous research or teaching experience to secure university positions, and the challenges faced when transitioning to industry roles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of a PhD in industry, with multiple competing views remaining regarding its utility and the job market for PhDs. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and opinions, indicating that the outcomes of obtaining a PhD can vary significantly based on individual circumstances and fields of study.

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Participants highlight limitations such as regional differences in job markets, varying perceptions of PhDs across industries, and the impact of specialization on employability. There is also mention of the financial implications of pursuing a PhD, which may differ significantly between countries.

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Thanks for that, ZapperZ. I'll have a look at the other thread :smile:.
 
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2 more cents:

In my experience a PhD can disqualify you for some jobs, like buildings and grounds work. Also not having a PhD can disqualify you for all university tenure track teaching jobs.

Some jobs are not picky about degrees, just ability to do the work, like unloading trucks, and construction. they never held it against me at my job unloading beef carcasses that I knew Zariski's main theorem.

Before i had a degree, I also had a temporary untenured job at a state college teaching math, and most people there agreed i knew more math than anyone else. Not having a PhD however worked against me there, and i was terminated for the lack of it, inspite of the high regard they had for my ability and knowledge.

I found it highly embarrassing as a self professed academic, to find that merit mattered less in university teaching than in meat unloading.

So I gave in and got a PhD, to survive in academia. Then I got a suprize. The people teaching me at graduate school really did know a heck of a lot more than I did and were also smarter than me mostly. They also held me to a very high academic standard and expected me to produce more than I had thought would suffice for a degree. So I grew intellectually and professionally, and became very proud of the experience they forced on me.

Now I am college prof and I have realized that teaching is physically a lot easier way to earn a living than unloading meat. I am now to old to unload meat, or to do construction work, but am allowed to dodder on in class about calculus and other matters.

Of course mahy of my peers earn more money than I for work which is intellecxtually easier and less challenging, and getting a PhD was the hardest thing i have ever tried to do, but I am not sorry I have one.

A piece of advice: getting a PhD is so hard that you need to sustain yourself by the love you have of your work. So pick an area you really are enamored of. I tried otherwise, and had to switch back to my real love to survive.
 

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