Which Isoelectronic Ions Have the Most Similar Radii?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the sizes of isoelectronic ions, specifically Li+, Na+, Be2+, and Mg2+. Participants explore which pairs of these ions are closest in size, examining the implications of ionic radii and periodic trends.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that C (Be2+ and Li+) is the correct answer due to their isoelectronic nature, believing that the extra proton in Be2+ would not significantly affect the radius.
  • Another participant challenges this answer, indicating it is incorrect and discussing the complexity of periodic trends, suggesting that the extra nuclear charge does influence ionic size significantly.
  • Participants provide specific ionic radii measurements: Li+ at 1.45Å, Be2+ at 1.05Å, Na+ at 1.80Å, and Mg2+ at 1.50Å, which may inform their conclusions.
  • There is a reflection on the historical context of periodic trends and how they relate to quantum mechanics, with one participant expressing confusion over the emphasis on theory versus observation in educational materials.
  • One participant expresses a need to memorize common atomic radii, indicating a struggle with the material presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which pair of ions is closest in size. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties regarding the influence of nuclear charge and periodic trends remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the influence of nuclear charge on ionic radii and the implications of periodic trends, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



45. Consider the ions Li+, Na+, Be2+, and Mg2+. Which two
are closest to one another in size?
(A) Li+ and Na+
(B) Be2+ and Mg2+
(C) Be2+ and Li+
(D) Li+ and Mg2+

Homework Equations


N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought it wouldn't be A, B, or D due to the pairs having different outer electron shells. I thought C would be the correct answer since they are isoelectronic and thought that the extra proton would not make too large of a difference in radius.
 
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Looks good. Any other questions about it?
 
It's the wrong answer :oops:
 
Teemo said:
It's the wrong answer :oops:
That's embarrassing. Explanations of trends in the periodic table aren't quite as obvious as textbooks claim them to be. Just googled ionic radii, and sure enough, the "trend" is along the diagonals of the table from upper left to lower right for sizes of both the neutral atoms and the ions.

The "post hoc"** explanation is that the extra nuclear charge does affect the radius in moving across a period approximately as much as an extra shell affects radius moving down the table through a group.

"** "post hoc" is latin for "after the fact." Translation? I never make mistakes. It might look like what I said was in error, but really your perceptions failed to pick up the subtleties of the pearls of wisdom I cast before your swinish face, and here's the way I'm going to weasel my way out of being caught out in my own arrogant stupidity.

Bottom line? Trends in the periodic table do reflect observations made prior to the development of QM and the "Aufbau" principle used today in explaining those trends. Those trends may have motivated interest in some of the research leading to the development of QM. Take that much away from this part of your instruction in chemistry.

Do NOT feel that QM is predictive of those trends, and that you should be able to generate a QM rationalization for every observation that is made in real laboratory chemistry --- some of it can be very subtle. Some is not so subtle --- like the "diagonal" trend that we just found out is so obvious, that I've totally forgotten about it.​
 
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Borek said:
My initial guess would be C as well.
Great minds rattle along in the same ruts.

Got thinking after this "bum steer" I gave (how many this month on "periodic trends?"). Fifty years ago, Mendeleyev was mentioned in introductions to discussions, text material, lecture material, lab material on periodic trends, but the actual trends were discussed more as consequences of quantum theory and Aufbau rather than as a body of well-established observations that contributed to some of the thinking behind the development and application of theory to atomic structure. I know that, at least in my mind, the "cart has been out in front of the horse" ever since. Just me misunderstanding the material being presented, or is it actually a bias toward theory over observation in the presentation?
 
Again, sorry for being late to reply, but thanks. I guess I'll just have to memorize some of the common elements's atomic radii ?:)
 

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