Music Which music do you dislike the most?

[DennisN]

I think the worst music around at the moment (besides RAP) is that awful synth thing they keep overlaying on the vocal in pop songs, what the hell is that!? Boring uncreative formulaic predictable production and tune PLUS this stupid synthy robotic vocal every other phrase.

If I interpret what you mean correctly, the truth is actually even worse - it is an artifact of autotuning (computer aided tuning):

Now it’s being used in everything, I HATE it.

I agree, I am also sick and annoyed of hearing it.

 

[BWV]

Here is someone that could have used autotune



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins
Florence Foster Jenkins (born Narcissa Florence Foster; July 19, 1868 – November 26, 1944) was an American socialite and amateur soprano who was known and mocked for her flamboyant performance costumes and notably poor singing ability. The historian Stephen Pile ranked her "the world's worst opera singer". "No one, before or since," he wrote, "has succeeded in liberating themselves quite so completely from the shackles of musical notation."[1]

Despite (or perhaps because of) her technical incompetence, she became a prominent musical cult figure in New York City during the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s. Cole Porter, Gian Carlo Menotti, Lily Pons, Sir Thomas Beecham, and other celebrities were fans.[2][3] Enrico Caruso is said to have "regarded her with affection and respect".[4] The poet William Meredith wrote that what Jenkins provided "... was never exactly an aesthetic experience, or only to the degree that an early Christian among the lions provided aesthetic experience; it was chiefly immolatory, and Madame Jenkins was always eaten, in the end."[5]

 

[BWV]

As a classical music geek, there is nothing I hate worse than cheesy pop lite-classical crap like


or

 

[BWV]

Compare Clayderman's butchery to the same piece played by a master:



or

 

[OCR]

Here is someone that could have used autotune

Lol... .

 

[DennisN]

As a classical music geek, there is nothing I hate worse than cheesy pop lite-classical crap like

I agree, those "interpretations" are quite annoying.

Compare Clayderman's butchery to the same piece played by a master

The cheesy classical popversion is like pouring sugar all over a fantastic, expensive meal and then eating it with plastic cutlery.

 

[DennisN]

“Whats a matter you (HEY)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs was a track that made me run out of the room in despair.

Wow, I've forgot that song, but when I heard it I definitely remembered it. It's not in any of my playlists .

 

[Asymptotic]

Here is someone that could have used autotune



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins
Florence Foster Jenkins (born Narcissa Florence Foster; July 19, 1868 – November 26, 1944) was an American socialite and amateur soprano who was known and mocked for her flamboyant performance costumes and notably poor singing ability. The historian Stephen Pile ranked her "the world's worst opera singer". "No one, before or since," he wrote, "has succeeded in liberating themselves quite so completely from the shackles of musical notation."[1]

Despite (or perhaps because of) her technical incompetence, she became a prominent musical cult figure in New York City during the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s. Cole Porter, Gian Carlo Menotti, Lily Pons, Sir Thomas Beecham, and other celebrities were fans.[2][3] Enrico Caruso is said to have "regarded her with affection and respect".[4] The poet William Meredith wrote that what Jenkins provided "... was never exactly an aesthetic experience, or only to the degree that an early Christian among the lions provided aesthetic experience; it was chiefly immolatory, and Madame Jenkins was always eaten, in the end."[5]

Flo Fo puts me in mind of The Shaggs.



Bringing Cub Koda again into the mix, his take was, "There's an innocence to these songs and their performances that's both charming and unsettling. Hacked-at drumbeats, whacked-around chords, songs that seem to have little or no meter to them ... being played on out-of-tune, pawn-shop-quality guitars all converge, creating dissonance and beauty, chaos and tranquility, causing any listener coming to this music to rearrange any pre-existing notions about the relationships between talent, originality, and ability. There is no album you might own that sounds remotely like this one."

 

[symbolipoint]

Flo Fo puts me in mind of The Shaggs.



Bringing Cub Koda again into the mix, his take was, "There's an innocence to these songs and their performances that's both charming and unsettling. Hacked-at drumbeats, whacked-around chords, songs that seem to have little or no meter to them ... being played on out-of-tune, pawn-shop-quality guitars all converge, creating dissonance and beauty, chaos and tranquility, causing any listener coming to this music to rearrange any pre-existing notions about the relationships between talent, originality, and ability. There is no album you might own that sounds remotely like this one."

Sometimes, certain people are expecting performance art which comes primarily in the form of sound, to BE music, but that art may have been formed in such a way to INCLUDE music, but also parts which are NOT music but to fit around in between the music. There are a few other examples of this in the works of Brownsville Station, and of Houserockers (both groups of Cub Koda).

 

[BillTre]

Sometimes, certain people are expecting performance art which comes primarily in the form of sound, to BE music, but that art may have been formed in such a way to INCLUDE music, but also parts which are NOT music but to fit around in between the music.

This reminds me of some of the "music" used in movies.
For example, the original Blade Runner movie used music and sounds mixed together in support of of scenes (and in time with the music) where it might be difficult to decide which sound were Vangelis music or just ambient sounds.

 

[BWV]

what is the difference between 'sound' and 'music'?

 

[symbolipoint]

what is the difference between 'sound' and 'music'?

Too obvious

 

[BWV]

No, It’ not obvious at all

 

[symbolipoint]

BWV,
I just went through that link to JOHN CAGE: Imaginary Landscape No.4 ( but did not yet play the other link video). Much as I said previously, "Too obvious"; You can decide if you found any music in the Imaginary Landscape video or not. To ME, it contained none of any music. Maybe another more knowledgeable forum member having played that video could convince us otherwise.

 

[BWV]

You say its "too obvious" -which just means you operate on a definition of music that you cannot articulate, kind of like the "porn - I can't define it but know it when I see it" quip.

 

[symbolipoint]

You say its "too obvious" -which just means you operate on a definition of music that you cannot articulate, kind of like the "porn - I can't define it but know it when I see it" quip.

What is music is generally easy enough to recognize. It may depend on culture, but I assume not. I am expecting the more truly knowledgeable musically educated members to respond to this.

I can give this comment, since I just now did listen to that metronomes video. THAT was not music. Some interesting things occurred at 3:50, 5:00, and 5:48; but that video contained no music at all. Yes, I should say, one knows that something is music when he hears it. Trouble is, something may be music to one person but be NOT music to another person.

 

[BWV]

But if Gyorgy Ligeti, one of the greatest musicians of the 20th century, thought his metronome piece was music, who is in a position to argue?

Is this music?

 

[DennisN]

Is this music?

Sounds a bit like my vacuum cleaner. But I prefer my vacuum cleaner.

 

[symbolipoint]

...
Is this music?

Yes, okay; it is music. Strange music but music.

 

[DennisN]

Ok, so we have now a couple of fine examples of very weird, and fun, music in this thread, so I will contribute with this piece:

Symphony No. 9 by Beethoven stretched out to 24 hours.

Performed by the New York Philharmonic
Conducted by Leonard Bernstein
Original length: 15 minutes, 25 seconds

I used the Paulstretch effect in Audacity and stretched this by a factor of 21. I tried to get this pretty close to Leif Inge's Nine Beet Stretch length (which inspired this project and channel), and the length of the whole symphony came out to 24 hours, 35 minutes, and 43 seconds, with a stretch factor of 21 the way through, so this first movement is at the rate of the whole symphony being roughly a day long.

Part 1 (5 hours, 25 minutes, 12 seconds) :


All parts are here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Beethoven+-+Symphony+#9+——+TIME-STRETCHED

 

[symbolipoint]

At 3:00 minute on the video still no sound. I lost patience.

 

[BillTre]

The Sound of Silence.


Sorry. Too hard to resist.

 

[pinball1970]

I read many threads on here but I only post on the music threads...on physics forums. That says a lot about my understanding of science.

Having said and avoiding the, "what is music question" I would like to bring this very interesting thread back on topic.

I detest punk. I hated it when it came out I hated all the players, the sound, the image, all the followers, the clothes, the media coverage and ridiculous interviews.

Still hate it.

 

[pinball1970]

what is the difference between 'sound' and 'music'?

Contradicting myself I am going to have a stab at this because I have liked some of your other music posts.

Music are the notes, sound is the notes plus the timbre that accompanies the notes and the reason why an upright piano middle C, sounds different to an upright playing the same note.

I like how the great musician vocalist and philosopher Ian Fraser Kilmister answered the question, "what is music?" He answered, "Noise."

 

[pinball1970]

A quick look at the survey and have a few things to ask
Renaissance polyphony has no down votes because I don't think anyone knows what it is. (including me)
I am very disappointed that 16% have voted for heavy metal. This is a very broad term that covers a host of different bands and styles.
Deep purple could be called the first "heavy metal" band at a push or you could say metal started post purple /Zep in 1980
UFO Saxon Iron Maiden Motor head Kiss so why the down votes? Zero in there?

 

[stevendaryl]

I read many threads on here but I only post on the music threads...on physics forums. That says a lot about my understanding of science.

Having said and avoiding the, "what is music question" I would like to bring this very interesting thread back on topic.

I detest punk. I hated it when it came out I hated all the players, the sound, the image, all the followers, the clothes, the media coverage and ridiculous interviews.

Still hate it.

Me too, as a general rule. But I think it was an important movement in music. Some punk bands had songs that were accessible to non-punk fans. For example, The Clash, The Ramones, Green Day (they're sort of punk). Also, punk had a big influence on new wave groups, including Blondie, Talking Heads, The Cure, etc.

A lot of iconoclastic movements in music and art aren't appreciated in the early days except by aficionados, but then those aficionados go on to adapt the movements in more accessible ways, until it becomes the new mainstream, and you need another iconoclastic movement to rebel against it.

 

[DennisN]

Regarding punk I think I only really like Iggy Pop, if I remember correctly.
I think Ramones are pretty fun, but I never enjoyed Clash. I think Green Day are ok but not more than that. All subjective, of course .

I really like these two songs with Iggy Pop:



Edit: Oh, shame on me, I forgot "The Passenger", which I think is a really good song.

 

[BillTre]

Patti Smith is often called a punk artist (when she first became known).
I think she is great, but I not sure everyone would call her punk.


I tend to think of these things (opinions on music and such) in more of a positive sense rather than negative.
Take what appeals to you. Ignore the rest.

 

[symbolipoint]

...Music are the notes, sound is the notes plus the timbre that accompanies the notes and the reason why an upright piano middle C, sounds different to an upright playing the same note.
...

You must have been trying to say something different there. Maybe one of the "upright" was supposed to be something else. If you mean that one upright piano has something different in sound quality from another upright piano, then I understand (and maybe so do other people).

 

[Asymptotic]

A lot of iconoclastic movements in music and art aren't appreciated in the early days except by aficionados, but then those aficionados go on to adapt the movements in more accessible ways, until it becomes the new mainstream, and you need another iconoclastic movement to rebel against it.

Indeed!

And it's a fun exercise to pick a point in the musicological taxonomy, and explore from whence it came, and to where it led. Pete Townsend influenced me, and he in turn picked up the guitar after hearing Link Wray's Rumble. Go to 1971's Scorpio Woman from the album "Mordicai Jones", and Wray is welding together a strange alloy of hillbilly blues with a Hendrixian twist. Slide back to an early '60's track that wasn't contemporaneously released (Street Fighter, on the 1997 album, "Missing Links, Vol. 4") and you'll hear one of the first instances of controlled guitar feedback.

Wray recorded a version of Rawhide, which had been popularized by Frankie Laine, and The Blues Brothers make their own at Bob's Country Bunker. One of Mike Nesmith's first published songs was Pretty Little Princess, recorded by Frankie Laine, and a step along the road to The Monkees, and later to the beginnings of country rock with the First National Bank and Nesmith's early solo albums.

Roll With The Flow is from "And The Hits Just Keep on Coming" ; an entire album performed solely by Nesmith and pedal steel player Red Rhodes. I'd assumed it was a synth, but the iconic line in the chorus of Seals & Croft's Summer Breeze is actually played by Red. Go sideways, and learn that a pedal steel in the hands and feet of a master isn't relegated exclusively to the C&W genre. Does Lunar Nova fall into the bin marked 'jazz', is it 'prog rock', or something else?