Which stress counts when looking at yield

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The discussion revolves around determining which stresses should be considered when evaluating yield in a fixed beam subjected to various loads. Participants explore the implications of shear stress, bending stress, and torsional stress, particularly at the fixed end of the beam, and how to appropriately assess their contributions to yield.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to take the largest stress among shear, bending, and torsional stresses or to add their magnitudes to compare against the yield stress of the beam.
  • Another participant suggests using Mohr's circle to combine multiple stresses, noting that bending stresses typically act in the axial direction while shear stresses can occur in different planes, and cautions against simply adding magnitudes unless they act in the same direction.
  • A different participant proposes using vector addition for the stresses and references Mohr's circle to determine maximum stress and shear, questioning if their reasoning about yield stress conditions is correct.
  • One participant introduces the concept of von-Mises equivalent stress as a potential solution for evaluating yield under combined stresses.
  • A later reply acknowledges the introduction of von-Mises stress as helpful in addressing their problem.

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Participants express differing views on how to approach the combination of stresses when assessing yield, with no consensus reached on the best method to apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various methods for stress evaluation, including Mohr's circle and von-Mises stress, but do not resolve the assumptions or conditions under which these methods apply.

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To makes things simple, consider a simple beam fixed at one end an a load applied at the other. This load will produce shear stress, bending stress, and torsional stress. When looking at yield at the fixed end, do I take the biggest stress of the three or do I add their magnitudes to see if it exceeds the yield stress of the beam? Also what do I do if I have shear and bending in 2 directions?
 
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wahaj said:
To makes things simple, consider a simple beam fixed at one end an a load applied at the other. This load will produce shear stress, bending stress, and torsional stress. When looking at yield at the fixed end, do I take the biggest stress of the three or do I add their magnitudes to see if it exceeds the yield stress of the beam? Also what do I do if I have shear and bending in 2 directions?

If you have multiple stresses to sort out, the best thing to do is use Mohr's circle to combine them. Bending stresses usually act in the axial direction; shear stresses can occur in different planes. In general, you cannot simply add the magnitudes of stresses together unless they act in the same direction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohr's_circle
 
I thought I could add them using vector addition. If I remember my Mohr's circle correctly, on the circle the maximum stress occurs when shear is 0 and max shear is when stress is 0. So after drawing the circle and finding the maximum stress and shear I look at them individually to see if either exceeds the yield stress, which I assume is different in normal and shearing conditions. Is my reasoning correct?
 
I had completely forgotten about that. That should solve my problem, thank you for helping.
 

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