Which undergrad school should I choose: UCSB or PSU?

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The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for choosing between undergraduate programs at UCSB, Penn State, and USC, focusing on factors such as cost, program quality, and living conditions. Participants explore the implications of attending each institution, including financial considerations and academic opportunities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the significant cost difference between UCSB ($65k/year) and Penn State ($25k/year), suggesting that the lower cost at Penn State may be more comfortable financially.
  • There is a question regarding the importance of being in the honors program at Penn State, with some arguing that GPA in major courses may be more critical than honors status.
  • Clarification is sought on what CCS (College of Creative Studies) entails, with some participants expressing unfamiliarity with the program.
  • One participant introduces USC as another option, noting its cost of $45k/year and inviting opinions on its value compared to the other choices.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential debt load associated with attending USC, with some participants suggesting that the cost may not be justifiable.
  • There is a discussion about establishing residency in California to reduce tuition costs at UCSB after the first year, though this is noted to vary by state regulations.
  • Some participants express a preference for UCSB based on its location and quality of life, while others question whether attending USC might impact future graduate school opportunities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which school is the best choice, as multiple competing views regarding cost, program quality, and living conditions remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of being waitlisted for the honors program at Penn State and the potential for transferring into it later. Additionally, there are varying opinions on the significance of living conditions in relation to academic success and overall experience.

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I'm out of state for UCSB but I'm going to be in their CCS program, whereas I'm in state at Penn State but am currently on the waitlist for their honors program. Per year cost is 65k/year vs 25k/year. Neither will put us in debt, but obviously the former is quite a bit less comfortable. What should I do?
 
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ErectBaguette said:
I'm out of state for UCSB but I'm going to be in their CCS program, whereas I'm in state at Penn State but am currently on the waitlist for their honors program. Per year cost is 65k/year vs 25k/year. Neither will put us in debt, but obviously the former is quite a bit less comfortable. What should I do?
Santa Barbara is a fairly expensive place to live, as is much of So. Calif., especially along the coast. You have enough saved to afford a $65,000/year tuition?
Based on the cost differential, my own preference would be to stay where the tuition is appreciably less. Can you continue at Penn State without being in the honors program? Others might disagree, but honors vs. no honors is less of a determinant than GPA in your major courses.
What is CCS? I know CS, but CCS is a new one on me.
 
ErectBaguette said:
I'm out of state for UCSB but I'm going to be in their CCS program, whereas I'm in state at Penn State but am currently on the waitlist for their honors program. Per year cost is 65k/year vs 25k/year. Neither will put us in debt, but obviously the former is quite a bit less comfortable. What should I do?
Have you been accepted to Penn State (regular) and waitlisted for honors, or have you been waitlisted for Penn State overall (any program)?
 
CrysPhys said:
Have you been accepted to Penn State (regular) and waitlisted for honors, or have you been waitlisted for Penn State overall (any program)?
Accepted regular, waitlisted honors haha
 
Mark44 said:
What is CCS? I know CS, but CCS is a new one on me.
College of Creative Studies

https://ccs.ucsb.edu
 
I'll throw my other choice in the mix here since I'm still looking for opinions - USC at 45k/year. Thoughts?
 
To the OP:

Since you have already been accepted to Penn State in the regular program, but waitlisted in the honors program, is it possible for you to transfer into the honors program at a later time?

(note: even though I live in Canada, I'm using the American spelling since I'm referring to US schools)
 
Presuming Physics Major.

There is not enough difference between the choices to justify a cost difference of $40k per year.

$45k/year for USC? Hard to recommend that for most students due to the debt loads likely involved.
 
ErectBaguette said:
Per year cost is 65k/year vs 25k/year.
That's only for the first year, right? After a year, you can establish residency in California and pay in-state costs.
 
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vela said:
That's only for the first year, right? After a year, you can establish residency in California and pay in-state costs.
This varies on a state-by-state basis. For CA, see:

https://www.ucop.edu/residency/establishing-residency.html
Note in particular: "Virtually all nonresident undergraduates with nonresident parents remain nonresidents for the duration of their undergraduate career at UC."

<<Emphasis in original.>>
 
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Dr. Courtney said:
Presuming Physics Major.

There is not enough difference between the choices to justify a cost difference of $40k per year.

$45k/year for USC? Hard to recommend that for most students due to the debt loads likely involved.
Even harder to imagine anyone paying $500,000 in bribes to get two kids admitted to USC. Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
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CrysPhys said:
Note in particular: "Virtually all nonresident undergraduates with nonresident parents remain nonresidents for the duration of their undergraduate career at UC."
I'm surprised. I'd "disown" my parents/family to save $40k a year.
 
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If you think you'll have time to leave campus, the UCSB is a much better choice than USC, IMO. Santa Barbara is one of the nicest places in the world to live (if you can afford it); central LA is not.
 
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DaveE said:
Santa Barbara is one of the nicest places in the world to live (if you can afford it); central LA is not.
I alluded to the "if you can afford it" part earlier and was thinking at the time, that USC is not in a very nice part of LA.
 
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DaveE said:
If you think you'll have time to leave campus, the UCSB is a much better choice than USC, IMO. Santa Barbara is one of the nicest places in the world to live (if you can afford it); central LA is not.
USC did seem rather lively though, and I'm not exactly bothered by the area. I probably even slightly prefer it to SB, but am I sacrificing odds of getting into a good grad school in doing so?
 

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