Who influenced Breivik to commit his heinous act?

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The discussion revolves around the motivations and influences behind Anders Breivik's actions, particularly focusing on whether he was influenced by external groups or ideologies. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding his mental state, political beliefs, and potential personal experiences that may have shaped his worldview. The conversation touches on themes of ideology, mental health, and societal influences.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Breivik may have been influenced or manipulated by external groups, while others argue against this hypothesis, asserting he was disillusioned with these groups.
  • There is speculation about Breivik's loss of faith in the democratic process, with some attributing it to a romanticization of violence as a political tool.
  • Several participants propose that Breivik's actions could be linked to personal experiences, such as being beaten by a gang in his youth, which may have shaped his worldview.
  • Some contributions highlight the potential impact of mental health issues, including speculation about physical conditions like tumors or the effects of anabolic steroid use on his behavior.
  • Participants express differing views on the nature of Breivik's ideology, with some emphasizing its political roots rather than religious motivations, contrasting it with Islamic terrorism.
  • There is a discussion about societal perceptions of Breivik's actions compared to those of radical Islamic terrorists, suggesting a difference in how motivations are rationalized based on the ideological context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the influences behind Breivik's actions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the role of external groups, mental health, and ideological motivations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various speculative claims about Breivik's mental state and personal history, but these are not substantiated with evidence. The conversation reflects a range of opinions on the complexity of understanding his motivations.

  • #91
apeiron said:
More crazy unsupported nonsense. But I guess this is the internet.
Now this is where the "overly speculative/personal theory rule comes into play.
 
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  • #92
Evo said:
That is a violation of the guidelines, but I'm going to let it go.

Judge and jury as usual.

If you check what you wrote, you said this. Gangsters are the result of societal failure. Fixing that failure is impossible.

If you don't feel capable of developing that thought further, given its relevance to the OP, then fine. Yes, we'll just have to call it your "opinion".
 
  • #93
apeiron said:
Judge and jury as usual.

If you check what you wrote, you said this. Gangsters are the result of societal failure. Fixing that failure is impossible.

If you don't feel capable of developing that thought further, given its relevance to the OP, then fine. Yes, we'll just have to call it your "opinion".
Do you seriously want to do a battle of "and you don't think this is my personal opinion?" In the words of WhoWee, Imo. Judge and jury huh, because you asked for the guidelines and I gave them to you? Ok, I'll retract my opinion and give you that infraction, will that make you happy? :-p

You seriously need to chill out. I cut people slack all of the time, if I didn't, we wouldn't have any posters in P&WA.

You made false accusations against me, you made snide remarks, and I have taken no action against you. Yeah, I'm horrible.

Also in our guidelines

Consistent with our general forum guidelines, if you disagree with what someone is saying, feel free to dismantle their arguments, but do not resort to ad hominem or personal attacks. Be mindful and respectful of others' feelings.

Have you read the guidelines?

Can we get back on topic now?
 
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  • #94
apeiron said:
More crazy unsupported nonsense. But I guess this is the internet.

What exactly do you disagree with? Obviously you feel offended by these statements? At the very least, you feel uncomfortable by the information. Perhaps you have information that is different or maybe you can correct the statement by a fact of your own? If your the wisest person on the internet, there is still some things that you can gleen from even the craziest of information. Please excuse my spelling as I have no software that corrects me.
 
  • #95
Evo said:
Can we get back on topic now?
I'm not too sure about the topic now. There has been a lot of speculation made (by me and others). Just waiting for the trial. I hope this doesn't appear like some "OJ Simpson" sickish entertainment. Maybe it is... *wonders*
 
  • #96
Willowz said:
I'm not too sure about the topic now. There has been a lot of speculation made (by me and others). Just waiting for the trial. I hope this doesn't appear like some "OJ Simpson" sickish entertainment. Maybe it is... *wonders*
As long as there is nothing more spine tingling to report, it will be, unfortunately.

I'm afraid that this atrocity will soon be replaced in the news by something else.
 
  • #99
jostpuur said:
Why then did he lose his faith in democracy? That's the mystery.

How can democracy and religious extremism go together?
They are exact opposites of each other.
a true Democracy respects all religions,cultures.

He is an extreme case of brainwashing by right wing groups ,he has been made to get paranoid about Islam ,people can't become like that overnight ,i think he has been under bad influence from a very long time.

Right wing groups are present in all the countries ,they try to attract young teenage minds and brainwash them but they differ from country to country .
 
  • #100
shashankac655 said:
How can democracy and religious extremism go together?
They are exact opposites of each other.
a true Democracy respects all religions,cultures.

He is an extreme case of brainwashing by right wing groups ,he has been made to get paranoid about Islam ,people can't become like that overnight ,i think he has been under bad influence from a very long time.

Right wing groups are present in all the countries ,they try to attract young teenage minds and brainwash them but they differ from country to country .

I agree with the democracy part.

The silly thing is that I think, even partly know, that it is the result of the Internet. I've been looking around on some of the right wing sites, and -apart from that most of them are just megalomaniac idiots- it's easy to see how someone with a gullible mind can fall for it. Those sites are just cocomanias of distorted representations of facts and world views. So you have some idiot sitting at home playing counterstrike -or whatever,- training with guns, already into a nutcase environment with free masons, while buying into the megalomaniac Internet paranoid plots and in full solitude developing his own theories of how the world works.

I know the police is baffled, but his ideas are mostly copycatted from whatever is out there on the Internet. He's not even the only knight's templar around, there are more of them.

They guy is a lunatic somewhere, but I don't buy into the paranoid schizo part. To be honest, to me it feels more akin to whatever drives football hooligans again driven to an extreme: just people who have their heads filled with idiocy.
 

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