Who Will Be the New Pope After White Smoke?

[cronxeh]

pretty cool how they elected a new, german, nazism-raised pope, by hitler's birthday

 

[plus]

Why does this seem similar to seeing what country/city the next Olympics will be held in? Well maybe the Africans and Latin Americans will have better luck next time.

The reason they do not get the olympics is because it costs really a lot of money to host and cannot afford the facilities. This is not similar to being a pope.
There has never been an american pope either.

 

[revelator]

I think he said that, because people are betting on which country the next Pope comes from, and behavior of that nature..

 

[plus]

Priests not allowed to marry? No female priests?

What would change, why wouldn't it be the same? If it would change it means that the footing of the people is not very strong when it is influenced by such factors, in my opinion.

Does that mean that females should not be allowed to have careers, or just not religious careers? Does that mean that females should not be allowed to become president either?

There is a specific doctrine set down in religious documents which gives women roles as it does for men. Theology should not necessarily be equal to the latest fads whatever they may be. It is more difficult to have opinions which differ from the norm than opinions which are equal.

 

[Clausius2]

I guess this election should be a big priority on cardinals schedules, as long sa it takes. If your guess is true, it won't be an impressive thing to know. Specially if chosing the new Pope is one of the most important descions cardinals have to made in their lifes for the church and their own people...

This time we do agree!

 

[Clausius2]

Priests not allowed to marry? No female priests?

What would change, why wouldn't it be the same? If it would change it means that the footing of the people is not very strong when it is influenced by such factors, in my opinion.

Does that mean that females should not be allowed to have careers, or just not religious careers? Does that mean that females should not be allowed to become president either?

Don't forget there are others religions which have less consideration toward women than it has the catholic church.

Let's refrain from posting opinions about different religions.

I hope this time you are not saying this because of me.

 

[marlon]

They elected a Nazi Pope.Ain't that CUTE...?

Daniel.

Untrue...read your history dexter...do you know how children were 'selected' to join the HitlerJugend ?

You cannot judge a person because of his nation's political leaders...In that case, we could do just the same with YOU... I am sure which person i am referring to

marlon

 

[Clausius2]

Yes, you're absolutely right.
The catholic church has a long history of not caring a whit about REAL lives and actual human happiness. Rather, they are interested in fantasy lives dreamed up by deluded priests.

From my point of view I think catholic church has had such long history of careless about human life, especially in the Middle Age, although it is true that current catholic church is not the same than the one at the time of Torquemada. They have evolutionated to modern thinkings, or at least this was the purpose of J.Paul II. We do know they have some ways of life and opinions which seem to remain in the past, but the current rithm of convergence is valuable.

I don't like you talk in present tense, Arildno. There are too many priests who go to Africa to take care to poor people without making nothing a month, only for the desire of helping. Also, the priests of small churches (like the one of my village) desires to help people in order to provide them additional wearing or food.

Such church is neccesary nowadays in a world filled of insolidarity.

 

[marlon]

I don't like you talk in present tense, Arildno. There are too many priests who go to Africa to take care to poor people without making nothing a month, only for the desire of helping. Also, the priests of small churches (like the one of my village) desires to help people in order to provide them additional wearing or food.

Such church is neccesary nowadays in a world filled of insolidarity.

I totally agree with Clausius...

marlon

 

[arildno]

From my point of view I think catholic church has had such long history of careless about human life, especially in the Middle Age, although it is true that current catholic church is not the same than the one at the time of Torquemada. They have evolutionated to modern thinkings, or at least this was the purpose of J.Paul II. We do know they have some ways of life and opinions which seem to remain in the past, but the current rithm of convergence is valuable.

I don't like you talk in present tense, Arildno. There are too many priests who go to Africa to take care to poor people without making nothing a month, only for the desire of helping. Also, the priests of small churches (like the one of my village) desires to help people in order to provide them additional wearing or food.

Such church is neccesary nowadays in a world filled of insolidarity.

I agree; I was way out of line here.
The fact that I feel very strongly about the abortion issue, I should not blind myself to the great work that many of the ordinary clergy is involved in.
Sorry..

 

[Clausius2]

Sorry..

You don't need to apologize, friend. We know you have a strongly logical mind, and you're able to view each situation in an unbiased way.

The catholic chuch has negative points (like everything in this life) and positive ones. I choose the positive ones: charity, helping, morality values... and reject the negative ones: out of fashion thinkings, horrible crimes in Middle Age,...

It is for this reason I am not an active (practicant) believer. I have gone few times to a church (maybe 6 or 7 times in all my life and some of them was doing tourism!). But I respect the historical background of the catholic church which can be considered a vital point in the european culture and history, and because Spain's history is very much relationed with Catholicism. The only thing I am not going to do is to criticize church only by political issues, as some people of left tendence are prone to do.

 

[cronxeh]

are you people living ON this planet??

 

[marlon]

are you people living ON this planet??

no, that's the question we should ask to you. Do you know anything about European history ? The content of your posts suggests that you do not. That is not an insult but don't judge something you know nothing about

marlon

 

[Clausius2]

I totally agree with Clausius...

marlon

In some way you are a traitor. Let me to explain it.

In the 16th century Phillip II and his father Charles V, who were kings of the Spanish Imperium, tried to export Catholicism to Flandes and that zone of current Belgium-Netherlands. The protestant leader prince William Orange headed the resistance against spanish army. Orange defeated Phillip II, who was a complete dumb, and he avoided the instauration of Catholicism there.

Nowadays a guy of Belgium supports Catholicism, what could Orange say if he hears you?.

 

[cronxeh]

you right, i should have added 'ON this time' as well. perhaps you are used to missing the point entirely, on number of things, for number of years.

 

[Clausius2]

are you people living ON this planet??

Be accurate and expose your reasons why you ask it. But don't post short comments without any sense.

 

[cronxeh]

If i am to provide my reasons I would be violating the forum rules, and putting down a few billion people while I'm at it.

 

[Clausius2]

If i am to provide my reasons I would be violating the forum rules, and putting down a few billion people while I'm at it.

If you're unable to explain your argument without violating forum rules, then give up posting here.

On the other hand, I hope you have enough intelligence to explain it in a non offensive language.

Come on. I am waiting.

Hurry up, I have to take supper!

 

[cronxeh]

It is not so much offensive, but the reality of things would at least make the believers jump off a cliff. Do I have enough intelligence to explain the whole 'concept' I have in my head? No. Does it violate the forum rules? Yes - it is talking about religions. Now you might think oh this guy has no idea what he is talking about, right? Consider the great many works of people like John Allegro and alike, combined with all the religious inconsistancies as well as number of religions, the effects of such religions throughout history, and particularly of aforementioned religion and its representative (both of them), and you would be hard pressed. But even when the evidence is presented, and this is where my 'putting down' part comes in - the involved parties refused the evidence at hand, and blindly, keep on to their believes

 

[Evo]

I hope this time you are not saying this because of me.

No, not you.

And thank you too cronxeh for remaining within the guidelines.

I have to be gone for a couple of hours, I trust when I return that the thread will not have burned down and there will be no bloodshed?

 

[stoned]

pretty cool how they elected a new, german, nazism-raised pope, by hitler's birthday

what is wrong with being born german ? and by the way, not all germans were nazis.
during WW2 Ratzinger did not have choice all youths were taken into military against their will.(read your history books Dude!)
man ! seams to me you have grudge against germans ! it is 60 years allready and you people still demonizing Germans !

 

[Clausius2]

It is not so much offensive, but the reality of things would at least make the believers jump off a cliff. Do I have enough intelligence to explain the whole 'concept' I have in my head? No. Does it violate the forum rules? Yes - it is talking about religions. Now you might think oh this guy has no idea what he is talking about, right? Consider the great many works of people like John Allegro and alike, combined with all the religious inconsistancies as well as number of religions, the effects of such religions throughout history, and particularly of aforementioned religion and its representative (both of them), and you would be hard pressed. But even when the evidence is presented, and this is where my 'putting down' part comes in - the involved parties refused the evidence at hand, and blindly, keep on to their believes

You mean believers are somehow blind people, and religion has caused a lot of conflicts throughout history.

My opinion is not the same. Sometimes it is needed to believe in something/someone. Human beings are prone to do so: we believe in God (those who are believers), or we believe in ourselves and our capacity of solving some difficult situations, another times we believe in a friend, and also we believe in the luckiness. Believing in something keeps us on being somehow alive.

In particular, believing in God is a shared culture of several world civilizations. All catholics are gathered in this act, and have at least something in common. Religion can be described also as an element of union, not of breaking. It is certain too it has caused a lot of wars, but it is one of the negative points.

As I have mentioned above, religion has both negative and positive points. I am aware enough like you to see the negative ones, BUT you don't seem as aware as me to see the positive ones.

 

[mapper]

My step dads father (guess my grandpa) was in the german military as a kid and fought for the nazis. My moms dad fought for the Canadian military. Hows that for funny. That one day their kids would hook up to have me.

 

[Dooga Blackrazor]

what is wrong with being born german ? and by the way, not all germans were nazis.
during WW2 Ratzinger did not have choice all youths were taken into military against their will.(read your history books Dude!)
man ! seams to me you have grudge against germans ! it is 60 years allready and you people still demonizing Germans !

If the Pope wasn't catholic, the fact that he was forced into service would be a reasonable excuse for him being a Nazi, however, he is catholic. If he was truly a man of God, then shouldn't he have have always believed in God; furthermore, since he is Christian, shouldn't he have put his morals above his life. After all, Christianity believes those who are truly brave and divine go to heaven while, from the perspective of the Catholic church, those who don't confirm to the gospel are sentenced to damnation. I'm not well educated on the Bible so if there is an explanation, I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm assuming it is just hypocrisy on the part of the Church, but, as I said before, I'm not a religion expert.

 

[revelator]

I think it makes a difference that he wasn't a grown man at the time.

 

[stoned]

imagine if the new pope was from France.

 

[marlon]

In some way you are a traitor. Let me to explain it.

In the 16th century Phillip II and his father Charles V, who were kings of the Spanish Imperium, tried to export Catholicism to Flandes and that zone of current Belgium-Netherlands. The protestant leader prince William Orange headed the resistance against spanish army. Orange defeated Phillip II, who was a complete dumb, and he avoided the instauration of Catholicism there.

Nowadays a guy of Belgium supports Catholicism, what could Orange say if he hears you?.

As a matter of fact you are not completely correct here. It's actually the northern part of what we call Belgium that was the upper catholic geographic boundary in those days, so your point is a bit, err, 'doubtable'.

regards
marlon

 

[infidel]

If the Pope wasn't catholic, the fact that he was forced into service would be a reasonable excuse for him being a Nazi, however, he is catholic. If he was truly a man of God, then shouldn't he have have always believed in God;

St. Paul, second in the church after Peter, was a man of God who persecuted (and sometimes killed) Christians for many years before his conversion on the road to Damascus.

furthermore, since he is Christian, shouldn't he have put his morals above his life. After all, Christianity believes those who are truly brave and divine go to heaven while, from the perspective of the Catholic church, those who don't confirm to the gospel are sentenced to damnation.

Wow, you don't expect much, do you?? No one of whatever religious stripe knows what they would do until they are in such a situation. And really, who can be faulted for abandoning their ideals to save their lives. It's easy to think otherwise in our comfortable little lives where the threat of death does not lurk around every door.

Not everyone who is devout is able to rise to the challenge to do the right thing every time, especially when their life is in danger. That's why martyrs are especially revered.

 

[Smurf]

imagine if the new pope was from France.

didn't you say that before?

 

[infidel]

imagine if the new pope was from France.

didn't you say that before?

What do you expect? He's stoned.