Whose fault is this? (sham university)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of students enrolling in a university that is alleged to be a scam, specifically focusing on the responsibilities of the students, the U.S. consulate, and the treatment of the students by authorities. The scope includes legal, ethical, and personal perspectives regarding immigration and education.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the students should be held accountable for enrolling in a university that may not be legitimate.
  • Others argue that the U.S. consulate shares some responsibility for issuing visas to the students.
  • A participant suggests that the use of ankle bracelets allows students to maintain a semblance of daily life, contrasting it with the alternative of incarceration.
  • There is a concern expressed about the legality of detaining students with ankle bracelets and the implications of their visa requirements.
  • Some participants assert that students likely knew they were enrolling in a fraudulent institution and thus should face consequences.
  • One participant emphasizes that the students' research into the university's legitimacy is crucial and questions the fairness of the situation being framed as America's fault.

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Participants express differing views on accountability, with no consensus reached regarding who is primarily at fault or what the appropriate response should be for the students involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference legal requirements for student visas and the conditions under which students are being monitored, but the discussion does not clarify the specific legal framework or the full context of the university's status.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/31/trivalley-university-soca_n_816623.html

Is it the students' fault for enrolling to the university? Should the American consulate be blamed for issuing the visas?

And why are the students detained with ankle bracelets? Is this U.S. law?
 
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It doesn't look like all the facts are known yet?
 
It's a scam. Neither of these articles talk about finding any of the students, but an ankle bracelet allows them to go about their daily life, the other option would be incarceration. Which would you prefer?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/28/ice-sham-university-cover-illegals/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110120/tr_ac/7659772_ice_raids_trivalley_university_but_where_were_the_grammar_police_1
 
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I would certainly prefer they be sent back to their respective home countries or at least transferred to another university, but not treated the way they are.

It seems they are being held because they did not meet the requirement of their visas which is that they are to enroll for/attend full time classes on campus. If the university is bogus, where are they supposed to attend classes?

And how does one go about a "daily life" with an anklet?
 
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I would certainly prefer they be sent back to their respective home countries or at least transferred to another university, but not treated the way they are.

It seems they are being held because they did not meet the requirement of their visas which is that they are to enroll for/attend full time classes on campus. If the university is bogus, where are they supposed to attend classes?
You are making absolutely no sense at all. So, you would prefer they were locked in jail until they're deported? Just being tracked is worse than jail to you?

Why is this America's fault or burden? Those people needed to do their research. If it sounded to good to be true, well...

Plus, the investigation showed that the people that got fake student visas more than likely knew they were fake. No school, no classes. Ya think??

They came here under false pretenses, so, they'll be deported, no criminal charges, just go back home. How fairer than that can you get?

You are making no sense. Thread closed.
 

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