Why Are Absorption Cross Sections Larger for Atoms Than for Molecules?

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The discussion revolves around the differences in absorption cross sections between atoms and molecules, particularly focusing on why atomic absorption cross sections are significantly larger than those of molecular species. The scope includes theoretical considerations and exploratory reasoning regarding atomic and molecular interactions with light.

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  • One participant notes that the absorption cross section for the D2 line in Rubidium is approximately 1E-9 cm², while for I2 it is around 9 orders of magnitude smaller, suggesting a significant difference in absorption characteristics.
  • Another participant prompts a consideration of what "absorption" entails at the atomic level, questioning the essential differences between an atom in a molecule and an isolated atom.
  • A participant proposes that the smaller absorption cross sections for molecules may be due to the presence of multiple ground states, which affects the probability of excitation based on vibrational and rotational states.
  • One reply adds that there are potentially many thermally populated states in a molecule that can be excited, which could account for some of the differences in cross sections.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of comparing like with like when discussing cross sections, suggesting that comparisons should be made between similar atomic and molecular species, such as H vs H2, rather than disparate elements like Ru and I2.
  • Another participant mentions that the lifetime of excited states in molecules is typically much shorter than that of atomic electronic levels, which may contribute to the observed differences in absorption cross sections.

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Participants express various hypotheses and considerations regarding the differences in absorption cross sections, but no consensus is reached on a singular explanation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the factors influencing these differences.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the influence of vibrational and rotational states, the comparison of different species, and the role of excited state lifetimes, but these points remain unresolved and depend on further clarification and exploration of the underlying physics.

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Why are absorption cross sections for atoms so much larger than that of molecules.

For example, the absorption cross section for the D2 line in Rubidium is ~1E-9 cm^2. Specifically, the cross section is basically σ~λ^2

The absorption cross sections for say, I2, is 9 orders of magnitude smaller! Briefly looking through many of the molecular spectra, all of the cross sections are on order of 10E-18 cm^2 to 10E-19 cm^2.

I2_400-800nm_lin.jpg

http://joseba.mpch-mainz.mpg.de/spe.../Halogens+mixed halogens/I2_400-800nm_lin.jpg

Does anyone know why the absorption cross section for molecular transitions are so much smaller than the atomic absorption cross section?
 
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Consider what "absorption" entails. What actually happens at the atomic level in each case you are considering?
What is the essential difference between an atom in a molecule and an atom by itself with regard to the process?
 
My best answer, which I didn't want to put in the original post to corrupt future responses, was the molecule has many possible ground states and the absorption cross section includes the probability the excitation electron happens to be in that vibrational and rotational state.

Is that what your questions are implying?
 
I forgot to add that I think there should be something else. There maybe 100 or so discrete thermally populated states from which the molecule can be excited. That's only 2 orders of magnitude instead of 9.
 
The questions are guiding for you and formative for me - I was hoping to focus your attention on the physical effects behind the equations while learning more about how you think ;)

Note: if you want to compare crossections between atoms and molecules - you should compare like with like: i.e. H vs H2 rather than Ru with I2. I expect you'd get different results for Iodine crystals too.

Did you notice that the crossections increased for pure iodine when there was air in the sample (red)? Apart from that your graph shows only measured spectra for I2.
 
The lifetime of the excited state (usually a high order vibrational state which relaxes by non-radiative transfer) is orders of magnitude smaller than the radiative lifetime of atomic electronic levels which accounts for the difference in absorption cross section.
 

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