Why are exited states of an Isotope metastable?

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The discussion centers on the reasons why excited states of isotopes, specifically in the case of 116 In, are considered metastable. Participants explore the relationship between spin states, angular momentum conservation, and decay probabilities, focusing on both beta and gamma decay processes.

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  • One participant suggests that metastability may be due to large spin states requiring the final decay states to also be excited, resulting in lower energy gain.
  • Another participant proposes that large spin changes during decay necessitate nucleons being positioned further from the nucleus, which reduces the probability of decay.
  • A different viewpoint argues that most excited states are not metastable, and that large spin differences lead to long lifetimes by making transitions less likely due to higher-order electromagnetic interactions.
  • One participant elaborates on the specific case of 116 In, discussing the energy and momentum of emitted photons and the implications of angular momentum conservation on decay probabilities.
  • Another participant agrees with the general concept that decay is influenced by the interactions of all nucleons within the nucleus.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of metastability in excited states, with some asserting that large spin differences contribute to long lifetimes while others challenge this notion. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Some claims depend on specific definitions of metastability and the conditions under which decay occurs. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the calculations of angular momentum and decay probabilities.

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Why are exited states of an Isotope metastable? Is it because they have a large spin and therefore the final states they decay to have to be excited as well? And therefore they have less energy gain?
I am thinking about 116 In (the 1+ and 5+ state) both can undergo a β- decay.
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I'm not an expert but I think the reason is that if a decay involves a large spin change, then to conserve angular momentum the nucleon has to be at some distance from the centre, in fact outside the nucleus.
And it doesn't spend much time out there, leading to a low probability of decay. This applies to both beta and gamma.

Unless anyone has a better theory.
 
Most of the excited states are not metastable. Large spin differences are a common reason for long lifetimes, they make transitions very unlikely as they need higher orders of the electromagnetic interaction.
kjhskj75 said:
I'm not an expert but I think the reason is that if a decay involves a large spin change, then to conserve angular momentum the nucleon has to be at some distance from the centre, in fact outside the nucleus.
That does not make sense.
 
mfb said:
That does not make sense.

Sorry, what I was trying to say was this:

In the O.P.'s example of the first excited state of 116In, which normally emits a ##\gamma## with energy 127.267 keV or 1.039##\times##10-14 Joules

Such a photon has a momentum of E/c or 6.8##\times##10-23 kg m2 s-2

Since this state has J=5 and decays to one of J=1, it has to lose 4 units of angular momentum, and the photon can only carry off 1, and as (orbital angular momentum) ##L = r \times p##, then the emission must be at a point at least L/p = 4.65##\times##10-12 m from the centre of the nucleus.

Given that the nucleus has radius roughly 1.5##\times##10-15 m times the cube root of the mass number, say 7##\times##10-15 m. This means that the nucleon that decays must be considerably outside the normal boundary of the nucleus, and because the probability of it being that far out is extremely low, the half-life is quite long. Longer than the beta decay half-life of the unexcited nucleus, which has to lose only 1 unit of spin to become 116Sn (J=0).

The same applies to a beta decay for the excited state, (I don't have the figures for that), but again the large delta-J would tend to suppress it, since an electron and antineutrino together can only carry off one unit of J.

Have I got this right ?
 
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The decay is an effect of the whole nucleus (as the nucleons all interact with each other), but I agree with the basic concept.
 

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