Why Are My Reactions Not Symmetrical?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of a fixed-end beam with roller supports and a centrally applied load. Participants are examining the calculation of reaction forces and moments, particularly focusing on the symmetry of the reactions and the use of compatibility equations in solving for redundant forces.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to solving for redundant forces using deflection and slope equations, expressing concern over the asymmetry of the reaction forces at points B and C.
  • Another participant questions the omission of forces and moments at point A, suggesting that they should be equal to those at point D due to the symmetry of the problem.
  • A participant clarifies that the force and moment at A do not factor into the current analysis, as compatibility equations are being used to solve for redundant forces.
  • One participant notes that the A matrix is symmetric about the main diagonal except for specific off-diagonal elements, indicating a potential error in the calculations.
  • A later reply acknowledges the error in the matrix and corrects it, leading to symmetric results that align with expectations, while also noting that the material properties can be simplified in the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of forces at point A and the implications of the matrix symmetry. While some corrections are made, the overall discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the initial assumptions and calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the mathematical setup, including the treatment of forces at point A and the assumptions made about material properties and beam behavior.

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I have a fixed-end fixed-end beam with two roller supports as well and a load applied in the center of the beam, as shown below.

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I've chosen my redundant forces to be the force at B (point up), the force at C (pointing up), the force at D (pointing up) and the moment at D (counter-clockwise).

I'm solving for these reactions using deflection and slope equations for a cantilever beam; specifically:

The sum of all the redundant force and the applied load will produce a net deflection at B=0
The sum of all the redundant force and the applied load will produce a net deflection at C=0
The sum of all the redundant force and the applied load will produce a net deflection at D=0
The sum of all the redundant force and the applied load will produce a net slope at D=0

using these equations: http://www.advancepipeliner.com/Resources/Others/Beams/Beam_Deflection_Formulae.pdf

I wrote up a worksheet in MathCAD and used matrix inversion to solve for the redundant forces. However, I am highly suspicious of the answers because the reactionary forces at B and C are not the same (as I'd assume they would be due to symmetry). Here is my worksheet:

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Anyone see any errors that I have made?
 
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What happened to the force and momentum at A? I understand that they should be the same as at D? You basically have a symmetric problem here.
 
gsal said:
What happened to the force and momentum at A? I understand that they should be the same as at D? You basically have a symmetric problem here.

The force and moment at A doesn't factor into this (just yet at least). The compatibility equations are used to solve for the redundant forces.

See here for a detailed explanation: http://www.sut.ac.th/engineering/civil/courseonline/430331/pdf/09_Indeterminate.pdf
 
An inspection of your A matrix shows that it is symmetric about the main diagonal except for A(1,2) and A(2,1).

On a numerical analysis note, since the beam is composed of the same material throughout and the I of each segment is the same, the quantity EI can be set to 1 without affecting the C vector.
 
SteamKing said:
An inspection of your A matrix shows that it is symmetric about the main diagonal except for A(1,2) and A(2,1).

Ack! Good catch! I wrote the wrong equation for A(1,2) :blushing:; checking the general formula gives an equation that is the same as A(2,1) (as you pointed out). Making this adjustment gives me symmetric results that make sense.

SteamKing said:
On a numerical analysis note, since the beam is composed of the same material throughout and the I of each segment is the same, the quantity EI can be set to 1 without affecting the C vector.

Very good point; the E*I can be factored out of both matrices.
 

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