Why are the legs needed in a penguin diagram?

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The discussion centers on the necessity of additional vertices in penguin diagrams, specifically regarding the role of gluons in quark transitions such as b->s or s->d. Participants emphasize that these additional particles are crucial for conserving momentum and energy during the transition. Without the inclusion of particles like gluons or photons, the loop integral becomes invalid, indicating that the transition cannot occur without these additional components. This highlights the fundamental principles of quantum field theory in particle physics.

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In the penguin diagrams you have a loop that allows the quark to change into another quark of the same charge such as b->s or s->d. I understand why the loop with the quark and W are needed to get you from b->s or s->d but why (in the example of the attached picture) do you need the gluon vertex to make the additional particle/anti-particle pair? Why can't the diagram just be a "b" coming in, an intermediate loop with a W and a u,c,t quark, and then an "s" going out? Why does there need to be an additional vertex in the loop where a gluon, photon or Z branches off?
 

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If you only had b->s, or s->d, where would the extra energy go?
For momentum and energy conservation you need another particle to be involved.
 
I have never formalised it, for me it's just intuitive. :wink:
 
If you have a b->s transition with no additional particles coming out, that means you have the wrong basis and can re-diagonalize so this doesn't occur.
 
rephrasing JustinLevy's response in more brute-force terms: if you go ahead and write down that loop integral without the additional photon or gluon, it vanishes - go ahead and try it.
 

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