Why Are the Magnitudes of Vector Operations Surprisingly Equal?

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The discussion revolves around vector operations, specifically the cross product and the magnitudes of resulting vectors. Participants are exploring the relationships between these vectors and their magnitudes in a physics context.

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  • Participants describe their calculations of the cross product and the resulting vectors. They question why the magnitudes of certain vector operations are equal, particularly in relation to the properties of the cross product. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their findings regarding unit vectors and magnitudes.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the properties of vector magnitudes and the relationships between the vectors involved. Some participants have provided insights into the definitions and properties of unit vectors, while others are still questioning the reasoning behind the equality of certain magnitudes.

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1. See attached image please!
2. For part (a), I applied the cross product and got (-6i - 2k) for (\vec{A}x\vec{B}. I got (6i + 2k) for (\vec{B} x \vec{A}).

For part (b), \vec{C} was simply (-6i - 2k) - (6i + 2k) = (-12i -4k).

For part (c), the magnitude of \vec{C} was simply 12.65 and for the magnitude of two times (\vec{A} x \vec{B}) is 12.65. So they are equal. But WHY? I can prove it mathematically, but I'm having some trouble with this.

I do think that it is because (\vec{A}x\vec{B} is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to (\vec{B} x \vec{A}), therefore, the magnitude for 2 times (\vec{A} x \vec{B}) ought to equal the magnitude of (\vec{C})
 

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Mosaness said:
1. See attached image please!
2. For part (a), I applied the cross product and got (-6i - 2k) for (\vec{A}x\vec{B}. I got (6i + 2k) for (\vec{B} x \vec{A}).

For part (b), \vec{C} was simply (-6i - 2k) - (6i + 2k) = (-12i -4k).

For part (c), the magnitude of \vec{C} was simply 12.65 and for the magnitude of two times (\vec{A} x \vec{B}) is 12.65. So they are equal. But WHY? I can prove it mathematically, but I'm having some trouble with this.

I do think that it is because (\vec{A}x\vec{B} is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to (\vec{B} x \vec{A}), therefore, the magnitude for 2 times (\vec{A} x \vec{B}) ought to equal the magnitude of (\vec{C}) (

You are right the cross product changes sign when you change the order of the vectors, but the magnitude stays the same. Think how the cross product was defined: AxB is a vector perpendicular to both A and B and it points in the direction from where the rotation of the first vector into the second looks anti-clockwise. So AxB=P and BxA=-P. If you subtract -P it is the same as adding P.ehild
 
I was doing part (d.) and the unit vector for \vec{C} was (-0.949i - 0.316k) and the unit vector for (\vec{A} x \vec{B}) was also (-0.949i - 0.316k). Therefore, the unit vector for \vec{C} is not twice as long as the unit vector for (\vec{A} x \vec{B}). Instead, it is equal. Why is it equal? I'm not quite sure. But if I had to guess, I would say that for vector C, the vector was twice that of (\vec{A} x \vec{B}), as was the magnitude. And for (\vec{A} x \vec{B}), the vector and magnitude for half of that for vector C, therefore, when the unit vector was found, they were equal to one another. Had the magnitude of (\vec{A} x \vec{B}) been half that of vector C, THEN the unit vector for (\vec{A} x \vec{B}) would have been half that of vector C.
 
The magnitude of a unit vector is 1. It is the definition of the unit vector: a vector pointing in a specific direction, and having unit length (magnitude).

ehild
 
Uh, I think you're overthinking this. What is the magnitude of any unit vector?
 
Well the magnitude will always be one. I WAS over thinking it! Oops
 

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