Why Are the Signs Reversed in the Baseball Momentum Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving momentum and vector forces in the context of a baseball being hit by a bat. Participants explore the implications of vector direction and coordinate systems in calculating the average force exerted during the interaction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the average force exerted by the baseball on the bat and finds the components to be (-3786i + 4028j)N, questioning the signs of the components.
  • Another participant notes that the signs of the components depend on the choice of coordinate axes and emphasizes the importance of consistent application of these axes for all vector quantities.
  • A further reply suggests that if the i direction is defined as from home plate to center field, then the i component of force should be positive, while questioning the choice of the y-axis direction.

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Participants express differing views on the choice of coordinate axes and how they affect the signs of the force components. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the signs, indicating an ongoing debate.

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Participants have not resolved the implications of their coordinate system choices, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the directionality of the axes.

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Hey guys,

I'm currently taking the first physics course right now (calculus-based physics), but it's not going as smoothly as I would've hoped. Anyways, here's one of the many questions I shall be posing on the forum: A baseball approaches home plate at a speed of 47.0 m/s, moving horizontally just before being hit by a bat. The batter hits a pop-up such that after hitting the bat, the baseball is moving at 50.0 m/s straight up. The ball has a mass of 145 g and is in contact with the bat for 1.80 ms. What is the average vector force the ball exerts on the bat during their interaction?

Now, I know how to draw the diagram to visualize the approach, I know that ρ = m * v, and I know that force = Δp/Δt. When I get my final answer, the components of the average force are (-3786i + 4028j)N. However, the answer has the signs reversed. Why is that the case?

Thanks in advance for the help!
 
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bona0002 said:
Hey guys,

I'm currently taking the first physics course right now (calculus-based physics), but it's not going as smoothly as I would've hoped. Anyways, here's one of the many questions I shall be posing on the forum: A baseball approaches home plate at a speed of 47.0 m/s, moving horizontally just before being hit by a bat. The batter hits a pop-up such that after hitting the bat, the baseball is moving at 50.0 m/s straight up. The ball has a mass of 145 g and is in contact with the bat for 1.80 ms. What is the average vector force the ball exerts on the bat during their interaction?

Now, I know how to draw the diagram to visualize the approach, I know that ρ = m * v, and I know that force = Δp/Δt. When I get my final answer, the components of the average force are (-3786i + 4028j)N. However, the answer has the signs reversed. Why is that the case?

Thanks in advance for the help!

Hi bona0002, Welcome to Physics Forums.

The signs will depend upon your choice of coordinate axes. Be sure to apply them consistently for all vector quantities (velocities, momenta).
 
bona0002 said:
Hey guys,

I'm currently taking the first physics course right now (calculus-based physics), but it's not going as smoothly as I would've hoped. Anyways, here's one of the many questions I shall be posing on the forum: A baseball approaches home plate at a speed of 47.0 m/s, moving horizontally just before being hit by a bat. The batter hits a pop-up such that after hitting the bat, the baseball is moving at 50.0 m/s straight up. The ball has a mass of 145 g and is in contact with the bat for 1.80 ms. What is the average vector force the ball exerts on the bat during their interaction?

Now, I know how to draw the diagram to visualize the approach, I know that ρ = m * v, and I know that force = Δp/Δt. When I get my final answer, the components of the average force are (-3786i + 4028j)N. However, the answer has the signs reversed. Why is that the case?

Thanks in advance for the help!

If the i direction represents direction from home plate to center field then the i component of force should be +. But then the y-axis must point dow, a strange choice in my opinion but entirely permissible.
 
That makes sense. Thanks guys!
 

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