Why Are There Three Terms in the Differential Expression?

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamical expression involving differentials and the reasoning behind the presence of three terms in the differential expression. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and interpretation of the expression, focusing on the roles of the variables involved.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a thermodynamical expression and questions why there are three terms in the differential expression, specifically noting the presence of two differentials of volume (dV) and one of temperature (dT).
  • Another participant suggests that with \(\sigma\) as a constant, the expression should only have two parts and proposes a different formulation of the differential.
  • A third participant draws a parallel to the derivative of a multi-variable function, indicating that the structure of the differential can be understood through partial derivatives.
  • Subsequent replies express agreement with the clarification provided and acknowledge the explanation of the differential structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some disagreement regarding the correct formulation of the differential expression, with multiple interpretations presented. While some participants clarify and support each other's points, no consensus is reached on the exact nature of the terms involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on the assumption that \(\sigma\) is a constant, but the implications of this assumption on the overall expression are not fully resolved. The discussion also touches on the mathematical treatment of multi-variable functions without concluding the correctness of any specific formulation.

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Hello!

I have this thermodynamical expression:
dS=\sigma T^3 dV+4V\sigma T^2 dT+\frac{1}{3}\sigma T^3 dV=d(\frac{4}{3}\sigma T^3 V)
Basically saying:
\frac{4}{3}\sigma T^3 V=S

Now, I do not get this.. d(expr) part, why are there three members to d(expr), with 2x dV and 1x dT.. nope.. :confused:
I might add that \sigma is a constant.
 
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Where did you find that? With \sigma constant, there should be two parts:
d((4/3)\sigma T^3V)= 4\sigma T^2V dT+ (4/3)\sigma T^3 dV

Oh, wait, what they have done is just separate that last term:
(4/3)\sigma T^3dV= (1+ 1/3)\sigma T^3dV= \sigma T^3dV+ (1/3)\sigma T^3dV
 
Hi Uku! :smile:

Can you clarify what you do not get?

What you have is similar to:
$$df(x,y)={\partial f \over \partial x}dx + {\partial f \over \partial y}dy$$
This is how the derivative of a multi variable function is taken.
 
HallsofIvy nailed it, thanks!

U.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi Uku! :smile:

Can you clarify what you do not get?

What you have is similar to:
$$df(x,y)={\partial f \over \partial x}dx + {\partial f \over \partial y}dy$$
This is how the [STRIKE]derivative[/STRIKE] differential of a multi variable function is taken.
Fixed that for you:smile:
 
Mark44 said:
Fixed that for you:smile:

Thanks. :wink:
 

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