Why Can't I Solve This Rotational Equilibrium Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a rotational equilibrium problem involving forces and torques. The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on a system in both translational and rotational equilibrium, aiming to find the tension forces involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the projection of forces along the x and y axes and the application of torque equations. Questions arise regarding the treatment of forces at the pivot point and the components of tension forces contributing to torque.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the original poster's approach and suggesting clarifications. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the torque calculation, with no explicit consensus on the correct method yet.

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There is mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the application of torque about different points and the components of forces that contribute to the net torque. The original poster expresses uncertainty about a concept they feel may not have been covered in their prior learning.

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I know this problem isn't hard, but I can't reach the final answer in the back.

OK, so if we project the forces along the x and y axis, we can easily conclude that:

F_(T,2) + F_(T,1) * sin50 = 10
F_(T,1) * cos50 = P

from here, though, I seem to be doing something wrong. The figure is in translational and rotational equilibrium, so net torque is zero. Let's take F_(T,2) as pivot. Then

F_(T,2)(0) + F_(T,1) * sin50(.30) = 10(.15)

Final answer will be

F_(T,1) = 6.59

where as the book's answer is 11. Of course I can't continue from here and find the other forces, so I'll just leave it at that.

Heh. Thanks all.
 
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What happened to the F applied at P in your torque equation?
 
It's along the x-axis, so it isn't calculated (it goes through the pivot).
 
ianb said:
It's along the x-axis, so it isn't calculated (it goes through the pivot).

No, OlderDan is right, you are taking moment (torque) about a point!, not about an axis (which is defined differently).

Unless you meant about the left down corner, which in that case you forgot one of the F(t,1) components torque. Maybe you should be more clear.
 
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Wow, okay, then I guess we could say

F_(T,2)(0) + F_(T,1) * sin50(.30) + F_(T,1) * cos50(.30) = 10(.15)

but that will give F_(T,1) = 3.55, which is incorrect. Of course, I could have made something wrong there but there is a catch somewhere that I probably wasn't taught before.
 
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ianb said:
Wow, okay, then I guess we could say

F_(T,2)(0) + F_(T,1) * sin50(.30) + F_(T,1) * cos50(.30) = 10(.15)

but that will give F_(T,1) = 3.55, which is incorrect. Of course, I could have made something wrong there but there is a catch somewhere that I probably wasn't taught before.
If you use the lower left corner for the torque calculation, the two components of F1 produce torques in opposite directions and have different perpendicular distances.
 

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