Why Can't I Use Torque = Ia for Calculating Pulley's Inertia?

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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding the application of the equation Torque = Ia for calculating the moment of inertia of a pulley system. The user attempts to derive the moment of inertia (I) using both torque and conservation of energy principles but encounters discrepancies in the results. The key issue identified is the incorrect assumption that the force exerted on the pulley equals the weight of the hanging mass, when in fact it is the tension in the cord that must be considered. This distinction is crucial for accurate calculations in angular motion.

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once again I have succeeded in confusing myself about basic angular motion...:confused:

If I have a pulley of with an unkown moment of inertia, and a bucket hanging from the pulley with a known mass, height, and acceleration in which it falls. Why can't i use:

Torque = Ia
rf = Ia
r * mg = Ia
r*mg/a = I

or can I, because when i use conservation of energy

mgh = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2Iw^2 and solve for I, i get different answers.

 
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kp said:
Torque = Ia
rf = Ia
r * mg = Ia
r*mg/a = I
This assumes that the force exerted on the pulley equals the weight of the hanging mass. Not true. The force does equal the tension in the cord. (If the force exerted on the pulley equalled the weight of the hanging mass, then by Newton's 3rd law the mass would be in equilibrium.)
 

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