Why can’t photons “pile up” to eject an electron?

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The discussion centers around the photoelectric effect and the question of why photons cannot "pile up" to eject an electron from an atom, despite the potential for multiple photons to combine their energies. The scope includes theoretical considerations of photon behavior, multi-photon absorption, and practical applications in imaging techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant explains the photoelectric effect and Einstein's postulation of photons, noting that light below a certain frequency cannot ionize an atom regardless of intensity.
  • Another participant suggests that multi-photon absorption could occur under extreme conditions, such as with a strong laser.
  • A different participant references Feynman diagrams to argue that the absorption of two photons is suppressed due to being a higher order process in perturbation theory.
  • One participant mentions multiphoton imaging as a well-established technique and questions the necessity of using multiple photons for ionization, suggesting that shorter wavelength lasers are more practical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and practicality of multi-photon absorption for ionization, with some supporting the idea under specific conditions while others emphasize the limitations and practicality of alternative methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the efficacy of multi-photon processes in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions regarding the conditions under which multi-photon absorption might occur, as well as the dependence on the definitions of intensity and frequency in relation to the photoelectric effect.

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Why doesn’t the bosonic character of photons prevent the photoelectric effect?
The photoelectric effect is essentially the observation that light below a certain frequency cannot ionize an atom, no matter how large its intensity. Einstein explained this in 1905 by postulating that light consists of particles (photons) with energy proportional to their frequency.

However, photons are bosons (spin-1) and therefore any number of photons can occupy the same quantum state. Therefore, in very high intensity light, it seems plausible that two or more photons in the same state can combine their energies to ionize an atom.

Apparently, this is not the case, as the photoelectric effect makes clear. Why?
 
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A multi-photon absorption might happen I think under extreme conditions like a strong laser.
 
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If you draw the Feynman diagrams for absorption of one and two photons, you see that they have one and two vertices, respectively, so the latter is suppressed because it is a higher order in the perturbative expansion in ##\alpha##.
 
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Multiphoton imaging is a well established tool. Here's a review for GI docs, for example.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3218135/

If you can use this to reach higher excited states I'm sure you could ionize an atom too. But I don't see why you would want to. Just use a shorter wavelength laser, they're cheaper, easier.
 
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