Why Can't Some Integrals Be Evaluated Exactly?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of certain integrals, specifically questioning why some integrals, like the integral of (1+1/x^4)^(1/2) from 0 to 1, cannot be computed exactly. The subject area includes calculus and integral evaluation.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of "evaluated" and "able," discussing the challenges of finding anti-derivatives in elementary forms. Some mention the limitations of known functions and the complexity of inverse problems. Others consider the implications of using infinite series and Taylor series for integration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about definitions and interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of elementary functions and the potential for divergence in series. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the terms used in the problem and the implications of integrating from 0 to 1, particularly regarding convergence and the nature of the functions involved.

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Why are some integrals not able to be evaluated?

i.e. the integral of (1+1/x^4)^(1/2) is impossible to evaluate exactly from 0 to 1. Why??
 
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It's hard to answer your question without knowing just what you mean by "evaluated", "able", and "why". :-p
 
If you mean "find an expression for the anti-derivative in an elementary form", that is true for almost all integrable functions. the problem is that we simply don't know enough functions. By "elementary functions" we typically mean rational functions, radicals, exponentials and logarithms, and trig functions. That is just a tiny part of all possible functions, even all possible analytic functions.

In a deeper sense, the problem is that while we have "formula" for the derivative, there is no "formula" for the anti-derivative; it is simply defined as the "inverse" of the derivative. And "inverses" are typically very difficult. If we define y= x^5- 3x^3+ 4x^3- 5x^2+ x- 7, the direct problem, to "evaluate" the function (Given x, what is y?) is relatively simple. The "inverse" problem, to "solve the equation" (Givey y, what is x) is much harder
 
Hurkyl said:
It's hard to answer your question without knowing just what you mean by "evaluated", "able", and "why". :-p


evaluate by integrating from 0 to 1. which I have added in the OP.

able as you computing it exactly.

why as in why is it not able to be computed exactly.
 
HallsofIvy said:
If you mean "find an expression for the anti-derivative in an elementary form", that is true for almost all integrable functions. the problem is that we simply don't know enough functions. By "elementary functions" we typically mean rational functions, radicals, exponentials and logarithms, and trig functions. That is just a tiny part of all possible functions, even all possible analytic functions.

In a deeper sense, the problem is that while we have "formula" for the derivative, there is no "formula" for the anti-derivative; it is simply defined as the "inverse" of the derivative. And "inverses" are typically very difficult. If we define y= x^5- 3x^3+ 4x^3- 5x^2+ x- 7, the direct problem, to "evaluate" the function (Given x, what is y?) is relatively simple. The "inverse" problem, to "solve the equation" (Givey y, what is x) is much harder

So we will have an infinite series as an antiderivative for the function? If so then we can compute the series? It might diverge?
 
Well, your example diverges. :-p

\int_0^1 \sqrt{1 + \frac{1}{x^4}} \, dx = \int_0^1 \frac{\sqrt{x^4 + 1}}{x^2} \, dx \geq \int_0^1 \frac{1}{x^2} = \infty
 
pivoxa15 said:
So we will have an infinite series as an antiderivative for the function? If so then we can compute the series? It might diverge?
Given an analytic function to be integrated, we certainly can calculate its Taylor's series and integrate that term by term to get a power series for the anti-derivative. If I remember correctly, it should converge on the same radius of convergence as the original function.

Of course, not all functions of interest are analytic- i.e. have a Taylors series that converges TO the function on some interval around the central point.
 
pivoxa15 said:
evaluate by integrating from 0 to 1. which I have added in the OP.

able as you computing it exactly.

why as in why is it not able to be computed exactly.
What precisely do you mean by "compute"?

If you mean "write in decimal notation with finitely many digits", then isn't the answer obvious?

If you mean "write down an algorithm that, given an integer n, outputs the n-th digit in its decimal representation", then it is computable.
 
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