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Why classics assumed that the force constant in two different references frames?

  1. Sep 16, 2012 #1
    hi every one :)

    i need a small help please ...
    we have tow frames and tow observers , let suppose there is a force on an object in one of the frames , so from newton law:
    f=ma

    "a" depend on "x" distance which is not constant in the other frame , so why they assumed that it is constant as the mass ?!
    of course i am talking about the period before modern physics of Einstein and the electromagnetic theory.

    thanks a lot ...
     
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  3. Sep 17, 2012 #2
    it is true only for two uniformly moving observers.for them,
    x'=x-vt
    y'=y
    z'=z
    t'=t,where v is constant.double differentiation w.r.t. time shows the equality of forces.it is non relativistic version.
     
  4. Sep 20, 2012 #3
    thanks andrien for the reply :)

    one more quastion plz:
    "v" in that equations is the frame speed
    what about the "a" for the body under the force ? this is what confuse me
    a=dv/dt
    v=x/t
    so v depend on x ! ... how "a" can be constant?
     
  5. Sep 20, 2012 #4
    a is the second derivative of x. This does not mean that a depends on x. (it may but it does not have to). Same way as the velocity does necessary depend on position even though it is v=dx/dt (and not v=x/t). There is such a thing as motion with constant velocity, isn't it?

    Back to the original question, they don't assume it, it follows from the transformation equations (see andrien's post).
    The acceleration in the moving frame is [tex]a^'=\frac{d^2x'}{dt^2}=\frac{d^2(x-vt)}{dt^2}=\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=a[/tex]
    This is so because when you take the second derivative in respect to time of the term vt the result is zero (the first derivative is v which is a constant).
     
  6. Sep 21, 2012 #5
    thank u nasu ...i v got it mathematically ...but not logically :)
    i know i have to train my brain to imagine it ....
    have a nice day ^_^
     
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