Why Did a PETA Staffer Change His Name to KentuckyFriedCruelty.com?

[Monique]

Yes, that is also what I was trying to make clear: cows don't just eat the grass in pastures.

 

[Jelfish]

Jelfish, why are you putting a spin on everything?

I don't think I'm spinning things. I'm just trying to find a rationale behind PETA's philosophy. I'm not so willing to believe that they're all mindless crackpots. Of course, there are some PETA members who do unwise things, but that isn't necessarily a direct result of animal-rights activism. My discussion is an attempt to understand the thinking process of a radical animal-rights activist rather than just dismiss them as crackpots. After all, I could easily agree with you, but where's the fun in that?

 

[Cyrus]

Jelfish, you rabble rouser

I'm just trying to find a rationale behind PETA's philosophy.

You will drive yourself insane trying to find any logic behind them...heheh.

 

[Jelfish]

Jelfish, you rabble rouser



You will drive yourself insane trying to find any logic behind them...heheh.

Insane enough to join PETA? hmm I spot a modus operandi.

 

[Danger]

It seems to me that the basic mentality, or lack thereof, displayed by the 'vocal' PETA members is the same as that of people who talk to plants. How long before they try to keep us from eating them too, and reduce us to a diet of rocks?

 

[Pengwuino]

I don't think I'm spinning things. I'm just trying to find a rationale behind PETA's philosophy. I'm not so willing to believe that they're all mindless crackpots. Of course, there are some PETA members who do unwise things, but that isn't necessarily a direct result of animal-rights activism. My discussion is an attempt to understand the thinking process of a radical animal-rights activist rather than just dismiss them as crackpots. After all, I could easily agree with you, but where's the fun in that?

The non-insane people never hit the newspaper headlines.

 

[honestrosewater]

How long before they try to keep us from eating them too, and reduce us to a diet of rocks?

Hey, what did rocks ever do you you? Heathen.

For some people, including myself, the issue is not killing but pain. I'm not certain that you can experience pain, but I have good enough reason to think and act as if you can. Same goes for other organisms with nervous systems. One of the reasons I choose not to eat organisms with nervous systems is that it's not worth my time or energy to find out, for each one that I might eat, the likelihood that it experienced an unacceptable amount of pain in order for me to eat it. It's easier to just choose to eat other things like plants and rocks, which I doubt are capable of experiencing pain.

Regarding the USDA food pyramid and such, http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/pyramids.html might be interesting. Consider, for example, this point:

The USDA's MyPyramid also had many builders. Some are obvious - USDA scientists, nutrition experts, staff members, and consultants. Others aren't. Intense lobbying efforts from a variety of food industries also helped shape the pyramid.
...
If the only goal of the Food Guide Pyramid is to give us the best possible advice for healthy eating, then it should be grounded in the evidence and be independent of business.
Instead of waiting for this to happen, nutrition experts from the Harvard School of Public Health created the Healthy Eating Pyramid [explained in article]. It is based on the best available scientific evidence about the links between diet and health. This new pyramid fixes fundamental flaws in the USDA pyramid and offers sound information to help people make better choices about what to eat.

Other pyramid guides to building a healthy diet -- including a vegetarian one -- can be found http://www.e-guana.net/organizations.php3?orgid=61&typeID=193&action=printContentItem&itemID=1521 (looks like they might be in the process of updating their site).

 

[Cyrus]

Who cares, it tastes good. I'd shoot a cow in the head and eat it, without hesistation. Painless death, and good food! Yummy. Yeah the cow will die, so sad... Hes not a pet cow. I don't really care if he's dead to be honest. I just care that he tastes good, and his skin makes good leather.

 

[Danger]

Hey, what did rocks ever do you you?

http://www3.sympatico.ca/goweezer/canada/frank.htm"

I'm out for revenge.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Who cares, it tastes good. I'd shoot a cow in the head and eat it, without hesistation. Painless death, and good food! Yummy. Yeah the cow will die, so sad... Hes not a pet cow. I don't really care if he's dead to be honest. I just care that he tastes good, and his skin makes good leather.

The way you propose to kill the cow is actually quite merciful compared to what happens to many of them at factory farms.

 

[Cyrus]

I saw a video on how they kill the chickens. They put them in a big room, and show them a video. Then this saw comes by and chops their heads off while they watch the video! Oh wait, that was on southpark...I guess its different.

 

[Math Is Hard]

It's easier to just choose to eat other things like plants and rocks, which I doubt are capable of experiencing pain.

Plants are delicious, but I find that rocks are a little hard on the teeth.

 

[Cyrus]

Plants are delicious, but I find that rocks are a little hard on the teeth.

I agree, they do make good entrées for dead animal flesh. Yummy!

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I think that this whole moral issue arises merely from a sense of familiarity with living things that are more similar to us than others. Plants are just as much living "breathing" life forms as any other. I don't see why they are ok to eat and other living things aren't. Plants have no more "desire" to be eaten than anything else does and have evolved means of protecting themselves from being "killed" just like every other life form.

So what is the morality behind eating only plants? They aren't like us and they can't run away so it's better?

 

[Dooga Blackrazor]

Plants are not cognitive beings. Nihilism is an excellent philosophy, and I accept that nihilists may choose to eat meat. However, the idea that eating meat is moral is certainly a facade. Meat is just another example of something ingrained in society, but it has not logical basis in morality.

 

[Cyrus]

Are you saying eaitng meat is immoral?

 

[Jelfish]

There are people called fruitarians who only eat fruit because they feel that plants produce them with the intentions of being eaten once they fall off a tree. In fact, Steve Jobs of Apple Computers was once a fruitarian.

 

[Cyrus]

He should change his name from steve to nut. It would be more befitting.

 

[Jelfish]

He should change his name from steve to nut. It would be more befitting.

Good one

 

[Cyrus]

Nut-jobs-of-apple-computers.com PETAs new crackpot, I mean spokesman.

 

[Jelfish]

He's not a fruitarian anymore

"I was actually a fruitarian at that point in time. I ate only fruit. Now I'm a garbage can like everyone else." - Steve Jobs

 

[Cyrus]

Ahahhah fruitarian. I love made up hippy words. I hope he doesn't starve in the winter...oops I guess the fruitarians didn't plan ahead.

 

[Jelfish]

You're forgetting raisin! Boxes and boxes of yummy raisins..

 

[Smasherman]

Its ok EVO, the sound you make, MMMMMMMMMMMM eating them, makes it worth it! Crabs are my favorite sea food! I could eat them 24-7! Maryland Crab cakes...yummy.

"Your vanity is justified,"
-John Milton (Satan), from Devil's Advocate

 

[Cyrus]

Good for me.

 

[Jelfish]

It's better to admit that you don't care about animals then to enter some cloudy moral quagmire of meat eating ethics.

Speaking of crab cakes, I've always wanted to go to Maryland to try those.

 

[Cyrus]

Oh man, you don't know what your missing. Come down, Ill take you to Daily Grill in georgetown and get you some of the best crabcakes u ever had. I care about animals, I just don't praise them as gods. Treat them as best you can,...before you kill them. Thats all I am saying. Try to make their suffering as small as possible, but in the end, I am all for killing them.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Plants are not cognitive beings. Nihilism is an excellent philosophy, and I accept that nihilists may choose to eat meat. However, the idea that eating meat is moral is certainly a facade. Meat is just another example of something ingrained in society, but it has not logical basis in morality.

That emphasized part right there is really just another way of saying that they aren't like us. How does whether they are cognitive or not have anything to do with it? What does cognition have to do with morality except to say that it is easier for a human to empathize or feel a familiarity with a something with a brain than with something that doesn't have one?
I also never stated that eating meat is "moral" so I am not executing any sort of facade if you were implying such. I'm just pointing out an inconsistency in the logic that says otherwise.

---edit---
Another issue about the cognition would be "what exactly is cognition?" but that's a whole other can of worms.

 

[Cyrus]

Eating meat is moral Ape. Didn't Jesus make meat (Fish) for his people? I guess he thinks Jesus is immoral too...

 

[Jelfish]

Exactly. I don't go out of my way to harm animals without cause, but if that's the result of my choice in a healthy diet, then the chicken dies.

I've had really good crab, but never in cake form. I have yet to experience a cake of pure unobstructed crab meat.