Why Did a PETA Staffer Change His Name to KentuckyFriedCruelty.com?

[Cyrus]

I saw a video on how they kill the chickens. They put them in a big room, and show them a video. Then this saw comes by and chops their heads off while they watch the video! Oh wait, that was on southpark...I guess its different.

 

[Math Is Hard]

It's easier to just choose to eat other things like plants and rocks, which I doubt are capable of experiencing pain.

Plants are delicious, but I find that rocks are a little hard on the teeth.

 

[Cyrus]

Plants are delicious, but I find that rocks are a little hard on the teeth.

I agree, they do make good entrées for dead animal flesh. Yummy!

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I think that this whole moral issue arises merely from a sense of familiarity with living things that are more similar to us than others. Plants are just as much living "breathing" life forms as any other. I don't see why they are ok to eat and other living things aren't. Plants have no more "desire" to be eaten than anything else does and have evolved means of protecting themselves from being "killed" just like every other life form.

So what is the morality behind eating only plants? They aren't like us and they can't run away so it's better?

 

[Dooga Blackrazor]

Plants are not cognitive beings. Nihilism is an excellent philosophy, and I accept that nihilists may choose to eat meat. However, the idea that eating meat is moral is certainly a facade. Meat is just another example of something ingrained in society, but it has not logical basis in morality.

 

[Cyrus]

Are you saying eaitng meat is immoral?

 

[Jelfish]

There are people called fruitarians who only eat fruit because they feel that plants produce them with the intentions of being eaten once they fall off a tree. In fact, Steve Jobs of Apple Computers was once a fruitarian.

 

[Cyrus]

He should change his name from steve to nut. It would be more befitting.

 

[Jelfish]

He should change his name from steve to nut. It would be more befitting.

Good one

 

[Cyrus]

Nut-jobs-of-apple-computers.com PETAs new crackpot, I mean spokesman.

 

[Jelfish]

He's not a fruitarian anymore

"I was actually a fruitarian at that point in time. I ate only fruit. Now I'm a garbage can like everyone else." - Steve Jobs

 

[Cyrus]

Ahahhah fruitarian. I love made up hippy words. I hope he doesn't starve in the winter...oops I guess the fruitarians didn't plan ahead.

 

[Jelfish]

You're forgetting raisin! Boxes and boxes of yummy raisins..

 

[Smasherman]

Its ok EVO, the sound you make, MMMMMMMMMMMM eating them, makes it worth it! Crabs are my favorite sea food! I could eat them 24-7! Maryland Crab cakes...yummy.

"Your vanity is justified,"
-John Milton (Satan), from Devil's Advocate

 

[Cyrus]

Good for me.

 

[Jelfish]

It's better to admit that you don't care about animals then to enter some cloudy moral quagmire of meat eating ethics.

Speaking of crab cakes, I've always wanted to go to Maryland to try those.

 

[Cyrus]

Oh man, you don't know what your missing. Come down, Ill take you to Daily Grill in georgetown and get you some of the best crabcakes u ever had. I care about animals, I just don't praise them as gods. Treat them as best you can,...before you kill them. Thats all I am saying. Try to make their suffering as small as possible, but in the end, I am all for killing them.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Plants are not cognitive beings. Nihilism is an excellent philosophy, and I accept that nihilists may choose to eat meat. However, the idea that eating meat is moral is certainly a facade. Meat is just another example of something ingrained in society, but it has not logical basis in morality.

That emphasized part right there is really just another way of saying that they aren't like us. How does whether they are cognitive or not have anything to do with it? What does cognition have to do with morality except to say that it is easier for a human to empathize or feel a familiarity with a something with a brain than with something that doesn't have one?
I also never stated that eating meat is "moral" so I am not executing any sort of facade if you were implying such. I'm just pointing out an inconsistency in the logic that says otherwise.

---edit---
Another issue about the cognition would be "what exactly is cognition?" but that's a whole other can of worms.

 

[Cyrus]

Eating meat is moral Ape. Didn't Jesus make meat (Fish) for his people? I guess he thinks Jesus is immoral too...

 

[Jelfish]

Exactly. I don't go out of my way to harm animals without cause, but if that's the result of my choice in a healthy diet, then the chicken dies.

I've had really good crab, but never in cake form. I have yet to experience a cake of pure unobstructed crab meat.

 

[Evo]

The only reason that I'm weighing in is to clarify something for Evo. Crustaceans, and mollusks for that matter, do not 'scream in pain' when immersed in boiling water. What you hear is pressure equalization through seams in the shell, the same as the whistle on a teakettle.

They were screaming and bubbles were coming out of their mouths. I don't care what you call it. It was disturbing enough that I will never cook another live crab.

That post was from a LONG time ago, it must've gotten to you.

 

[Cyrus]

AHHAHAAHHA that's funny. Id just wack them with knife to shut up and turn up the heat. You should cook lobster EVO. You get to rip its arms off while its still alive and throw him in the pot to boil without his arms. People are too damn sensitized from thinking their food comes from a can or box, because no one can actually cook anymore.

 

[Jelfish]

They were screaming and bubbles were coming out of their mouths. I don't care what you call it. It was disturbing enough that I will never cook another live crab.

If you think that's disgusting.. I've seen my dad rip open a live lobster before steaming it. It was still violently writhing to escape in all its slimy lobster-guts glory. Thank goodness for desensitization and super markets!

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

That post was from a LONG time ago, it must've gotten to you.

When I read it I used google to try to find a source that explained the "screaming" since I guessed it was something like what Danger explained but I was unable to find anything that even mentioned it.

 

[Cyrus]

I bet that was the best damn lobster you ever ate too.

 

[Jelfish]

AHHAHAAHHA that's funny. Id just wack them with knife to shut up and turn up the heat. You should cook lobster EVO. You get to rip its arms off while its still alive and throw him in the pot to boil without his arms. People are too damn sensitized from thinking their food comes from a can or box, because no one can actually cook anymore.

What the hell. You stole my post!

 

[Jelfish]

I bet that was the best damn lobster you ever ate too.

It was very good lobster, actually

 

[Cyrus]

Hardly, you copied MY POST!

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

If you think that's disgusting.. I've seen my dad rip open a live lobster before steaming it. It was still violently writhing to escape in all its slimy lobster-guts glory. Thank goodness for desensitization and super markets!

Poor Evo. You should stop trying to get her goat or she might lock this thread up.

 

[Cyrus]

Nah, if she locks this thread ill steam a teddy ruxpin while its still alive! You should hear those things scream, boy I tell you. They try to talk you out of it, read you stories, but I digress.

 

[Skyhunter]

Its because they go on the news and say they are going to kill people and burn down companies that have anything to do with harming animals. COO--COO--COOO--COOO. Sorry spacetiger, but there crackpots, and there's no two ways around it.

Could you provide a source to support this assertion please.

Yep, that is justice. He had a court hearing. He was found guilty of killing a family, he showed no remorse, and so he was punished to death. That is what's called justice, as opposed to what you want, which is revenge. And what I brought up is exactly PETA's philosophy and is on topic.

No that is vengeance. Justice would be to make those harmed whole again which is impossible in the case of murder.

And again I challenge you to provide evidence that your assertion is PETA's philosophy.

NOPE! Its no eating animals or your a MURDERER! like i said, crackpots.

To kill a creature that loves life as much as you, simply to satisfy your own gluttony is immoral, there is no two ways around it.

MORE animals will die due to people taking on a vegan diet, and yet you say the animal right activist will choose a vegan diet EVEN as they know they are killing more animals?

Since most grain is fed to animals raised for human consumption, your statement is erroneous.

I am against animal suffering as well, but we as human beings need meat to live. If babies grow up the PeTA way, we'll be looking at a higher infant morality rate. The USDA did not make the food pyramid just for show.

I would suggest you read the most extensive human nutritional study ever conducted, "The China Study". Humans do not need to eat meat, in fact eating meat is responsible for the majority of disease in humans, especially the affluent. Cancer, diabetes, and heart disease are all diseases of affluence.

Who cares, it tastes good. I'd shoot a cow in the head and eat it, without hesistation. Painless death, and good food! Yummy. Yeah the cow will die, so sad... Hes not a pet cow. I don't really care if he's dead to be honest. I just care that he tastes good, and his skin makes good leather.

Would you eat a dead baby? It would taste really good. Why bury your grandparents when they die? Just grind them up and make sausages, that you can eat on special occasions to remember them by.

I think that this whole moral issue arises merely from a sense of familiarity with living things that are more similar to us than others. Plants are just as much living "breathing" life forms as any other. I don't see why they are ok to eat and other living things aren't. Plants have no more "desire" to be eaten than anything else does and have evolved means of protecting themselves from being "killed" just like every other life form.

So what is the morality behind eating only plants? They aren't like us and they can't run away so it's better?

We can eat plants without killing them. In fact the Jains do not eat roots for this very reason.

Plants depend on animals to eat them and fertilize the soil with there scats, spread their seeds, and exhale CO2 for them to breath. There is a beautiful symbiotic relationship between plants and animals.

Natural carnivores regulate the herbivores.

Most animals can survive on either plant or animal foods, humans are optimized to eat plants. When we eat animals it costs us our health.

Are you saying eaitng meat is immoral?

yes

Eating meat is moral Ape. Didn't Jesus make meat (Fish) for his people? I guess he thinks Jesus is immoral too...

How do you know?
It is a story about a miracle with no evidence to support the story.

His brother James ate no meat, nor drank no wine. If his brother was vegetarian, would it not be a logical assumption that Jesus was also?

"Blessed are the meek"

Slaughtering a living creature is not meek.

 

[Cyrus]

Would you eat a dead baby? It would taste really good. Why bury your grandparents when they die? Just grind them up and make sausages, that you can eat on special occasions to remember them by.

That kind of nonsense makes me not take you seriously, so, back to making jokes with Jelfish! I have no problem slaughtering animals for food. None at all. I don't care if its not healthy, I don't care about a china report. I will continue to eat my meat. If all the supermarkets shut down, I would raise animals and slaughter them myself for meat. I love meat that much.

 

[Skyhunter]

That kind of nonsense makes me not take you seriously, so, back to making jokes with Jelfish! I have no problem slaughtering animals for food. None at all. I don't care if its not healthy, I don't care about a china report. I will continue to eat my meat. If all the supermarkets shut down, I would raise animals and slaughter them myself for meat. I love meat that much.

But I am serious. And curious.

Do you have a moral problem with eating a dead human?

If so. Why?

 

[Jelfish]

To kill a creature that loves life as much as you, simply to satisfy your own gluttony is immoral, there is no two ways around it.

I think that morality is often times a luxury. For example, if a man were to kill a cow because he was starving and had no other immediate food source, would that be an issue of morality? When a person goes through the weekly chore of food shoping at a huge super market and picks up a package of generic chicken breast, is she willfully invoking her moral fibre? If not, then how is it an issue of morality? This goes back to the example of animals being killed in grain harvesting. Wouldn't an aware moral person then abstain from all such products as well? There comes a point when this moral standard interfers with the human (and animal) desire for self preservation. That's why I don't think it's not particularly sensical to become a vegan for purely moral reasons.

 

[Skyhunter]

I think that morality is often times a luxury. For example, if a man were to kill a cow because he was starving and had no other immediate food source, would that be an issue of morality? When a person goes through the weekly chore of food shoping at a huge super market and picks up a package of generic chicken breast, is she willfully invoking her moral fibre? If not, then how is it an issue of morality? This goes back to the example of animals being killed in grain harvesting. Wouldn't an aware moral person then abstain from all such products as well? There comes a point when this moral standard interfers with the human (and animal) desire for self preservation. That's why I don't think it's not particularly sensical to become a vegan for purely moral reasons.

If I were starving, I would eat anything to stay alive. I would even kill it first. However, I live in the land of plenty. Abundance is everywhere. I eat only plants, since they are the optimal fuel for my body. I eat very little in the way of grains, since they are not particularly nutritious.

It is immoral to kill for selfish reasons. Because it tastes good is a selfish reason. Those who cannot see past their own taste buds are immoral whether they believe it or not. But it is not my concern. I just try to do the right thing, be as small a burden on the planet as possible, and not destroy the life of my fellow creatures needlessly.

And as for B12, it does not come from meat, it comes from bacteria. meat has a lot of bacteria, since it is a dead animal and begins rotting immediately. The bacteria that produces halitosis also produces B12, so the guy with bad breath is producing his own. B12 is produced in the large intestine, unfortunately it is absorbed in the small intestine. I have heard of people who have bacteria cultures in the small intestine, but I have not seen what I would consider a reliable source.

 

[Cyrus]

But I am serious. And curious.
Do you have a moral problem with eating a dead human?
If so. Why?

Look morality is subjective. A tribe in africa eats other humans, if that's what they want to do, then that's their right. Their society is set up that such actions are acceptable.

 

[Skyhunter]

Then your question is stupid and not worthy of a reply.

Stupid is as stupid does.

I believe you have no good answer.

 

[Cyrus]

No, that question is crap, and we both know it. You are trying to equate eating animals for food and killing other people for food. Give me a break. Not to mention the other bogus argument you make about eating babies. Common man, am I supposed to take that seriously?

 

[Evo]

Every PETA thread winds up in a fight that goes nowhere. I think we've exhausted any productive discussions.

 

[Evo]

Poor Evo. You should stop trying to get her goat or she might lock this thread up.

What, he's after my goat now?

Once the mud slinging starts, there's no hope. I was going to lock it earlier and refer to the last PETA thread, this one hasn't been on the topic of the guy that changed his name for quite some time.