Why Did I Get a Different Average Velocity Calculation for the Particle?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of average velocity for a particle, specifically addressing discrepancies in the results obtained by the original poster and the expected solution. The subject area includes kinematics and algebraic manipulation of equations related to motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify their calculation of average velocity, expressing confusion over a negative result compared to the expected zero. Some participants suggest simplifying the problem by directly calculating positions at given times instead of relying solely on algebraic manipulation. Others question the correctness of the formula used and suggest including parentheses for clarity.

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The solution to (a)(i) is 0 ft/s. However I got -4 ft/s.

The formula I used was,
##v_{avg} = \frac{s_f - s_i}{t_f - t_i}##
##v_{avg} = \frac{\frac{1}{2}t^2_f - 6t_f + 23 - \frac{1}{2}t^2_i - 6t_i + 23}{t_f - t_i}##
##v_{avg} = \frac{ \frac{1}{2}(t^2_f - t^2_i) - 6(t_f - t_i)}{t_f - t_i}##

If someone could please point out what I did wrong, that would be much appreciated.

Many thanks!
 
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Can't you just plug in the times in question to get the two positions in question? All the algebra seems unnecessary.

That aside, I don't see where the -4 comes from. Your bottom line seems correct.
 
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Halc said:
Can't you just plug in the times in question to get the two positions in question? All the algebra seems unnecessary.

That aside, I don't see where the -4 comes from. Your bottom line seems correct.
Thank you for your reply @Halc!

Sorry, my mistake. The formula that I forgot to write above was ## v_{avg} = \frac{1}{2}\Delta t - 6## because I mistakenly cancelled some of the change in times.

Many thanks!
 
1) You should include some parenthesis in your second line where you have substituted for ##s_i##.
ChiralSuperfields said:
The formula that I forgot to write above was ## v_{avg} = \frac{1}{2}\Delta t - 6##
2) This looks wrong to me. I think it should be ##v_{avg} = \frac{\frac{1}{2}(t_f+t_i)(t_f-t_i) - 6(t_f-t_i)}{(t_f-t_i)}= \frac{1}{2}(t_f+t_i) - 6##.
3) You could always follow the advice @Halc gave in post #2 of just calculating the initial and final positions. At least use that to check your algebra.
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
##v_{avg} = \frac{ \frac{1}{2}(t^2_f - t^2_i) - 6(t_f - t_i)}{t_f - t_i}##

If someone could please point out what I did wrong, that would be much appreciated.
Formula seems correct. Did you simply forget the ##1\over 2## ?

[edit] never mind :smile:
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
##v_{avg} = \frac{\frac{1}{2}t^2_f - 6t_f + 23 - \frac{1}{2}t^2_i - 6t_i + 23}{t_f - t_i}##
Typo: Missing parentheses around the ##t_i## terms, leading to wrong signs.
ChiralSuperfields said:
The formula that I forgot to write above was ## v_{avg} = \frac{1}{2}\Delta t - 6##
What is ##\frac{x^2-y^2}{x-y}##?
 
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FactChecker said:
1) You should include some parenthesis in your second line where you have substituted for ##s_i##.

2) This looks wrong to me. I think it should be ##v_{avg} = \frac{\frac{1}{2}(t_f+t_i)(t_f-t_i) - 6(t_f-t_i)}{(t_f-t_i)}= \frac{1}{2}(t_f+t_i) - 6##.
3) You could always follow the advice @Halc gave in post #2 of just calculating the initial and final positions. At least use that to check your algebra.
Thank you for your reply @FactChecker ! I agree.
 
BvU said:
Formula seems correct. Did you simply forget the ##1\over 2## ?

[edit] never mind :smile:
haruspex said:
Typo: Missing parentheses around the ##t_i## terms, leading to wrong signs.

What is ##\frac{x^2-y^2}{x-y}##?
Thank you for your replies @BvU and @haruspex!

Yes, sorry I forgot the parentheses. ##\frac{(x + y)(x - y)}{x - y} = x + y##

Many thanks!
 

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