Why Did Newton Use d² for Gravitation Law?

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The discussion revolves around why Newton chose to express his law of universal gravitation using the inverse square of distance (d²) rather than a volume-based approach like 4/3πr³. Participants explore the implications of this choice in relation to gravitational force, geometry, and historical context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Newton's law states the gravitational force is proportional to the product of the masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them, which is derived from empirical observations such as Kepler's laws.
  • Others argue that using 4/3πr³ would violate Kepler's laws, suggesting that the inverse square law is necessary for consistency with observed planetary motion.
  • A participant mentions that the area of a sphere is proportional to the square of its radius, which aligns with the inverse square law.
  • Some contributions highlight that the inverse square law is followed because gravitational influence spreads out over an increasing area as distance increases, with no other factors diminishing its effect in free space.
  • One participant points out that the inverse square law is applicable in other areas of physics, such as light intensity, but can be affected by intervening materials.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that the inverse square law may not apply uniformly, particularly when considering gravitational effects below the Earth's surface or in non-uniform density scenarios.
  • Historical context is provided by mentioning that Hooke may have suggested the inverse square law to Newton, with some participants discussing the competitive relationship between Newton and Hooke.
  • Another participant playfully speculates on the implications of gravity in higher dimensions, suggesting a different relationship that could arise in a four-dimensional context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the appropriateness of the inverse square law versus other potential models, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the dependence on the assumption of point masses or spherical symmetry, and the potential variations in gravitational behavior in different contexts, such as within dense materials or at varying depths.

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When Newton developed his law of universal gravitation, why would he use distance squared d², instead of 4/3πr³ as the field would expand in a sphere around the body?
 
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I'm not sure what you are referring to. Newton figured out that the gravitational force between two bodies that can be considered pointlike is attractive with the direction along the line connecting the positions of the two bodies and its magnitude is proportional to the product of the two masses and the inverse squared distance of the bodies, i.e., for any two bodies there's a universal constant ##G## such that
$$\vec{F}_{12}=-G \frac{m_1 m_2 (\vec{x}_1-\vec{x}_2)}{|\vec{x}_1-\vec{x}_2|^3}.$$
That's an empirical fact, following from Kepler's three laws of planetary motion. Nowadays of course we use Newton's universal law to derive Kepler's laws :-).
 
bazer43 said:
why would he use distance squared d², instead of 4/3πr³

Because the latter would violate Keplers' laws.
 
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bazer43 said:
When Newton developed his law of universal gravitation, why would he use distance squared d², instead of 4/3πr³ as the field would expand in a sphere around the body?
Your observation in other words is that area A=##4\pi r^2## or ##4\pi d^2## following your reference, is used. Same amount of Force is distributed on sphere surface area of any ##r## or ##d##.

\int \mathbf{a}\cdot d \mathbf{A}=-4\pi G m
or
\nabla \cdot \mathbf{a} = -4\pi G \rho
where a is acceleration caused by mass m around it. ##\rho## is mass density.
 
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When Newton developed his law of universal gravitation, why would he use distance squared d², instead of 4/3πr³ as the field would expand in a sphere around the body?
"Any point source which spreads its influence equally in all directions without a limit to its range will obey the inverse square law."
see: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Forces/isq.html
 
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Because "what is the volume containing the field?" was not the question he was trying to answer.
 
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Because the area of a sphere is proportional to the square of its radius.
 
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bazer43 said:
When Newton developed his law of universal gravitation, why would he use distance squared d², instead of 4/3πr³ as the field would expand in a sphere around the body?
No one has dealt exactly with why the inverse cube law is not appropriate. The inverse square law is followed because there is nothing to decrease the effect of the attraction in the free space between the masses and the only reduction is because of the spreading out of the 'lines of gravitational force' over an increasing area as the distance increases.
The inverse square law is followed in several other places in Physics. Light spreads out in empty space and the reduction in intensity follows the ISL. But, if the space in between contains an absorbent material (say dust) the rate of additional fall-off can be much higher. It can be proportional to the distance and that sometimes 'beats' the ISL. It's the same for sound energy which can be attenuated at different rates, according to humidity, for instance.

The ISL only even works for gravity if the mass m can be treated as being at a point or a body with spherical symmetry. If you take points below the Earth's surface (or strictly a sphere of uniform density) the gravity gets greater, proportionally with the radius. So you have to check that the ISL actually applies whenever you want to use it.
 
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Newton was a real swine about anyone he saw as competition. He did some dirty deeds, they say, to suppress Hooke's career and work. At least we all remember Hooke's Law for springs, even if the rest of his stuff has been neglected.
 
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We know gravity of infinite long bar is proportional to ##r^{-1}## where r is distance from the bar.
We may interpret gravity proportional to ##r^{-2}## from the "point" matter is actually from "infinite long bar" in 4-dimension space one dimension along the bar of which we cannot conceive. In this way , playfully defending OP, we may be able to imagine that gravity in 4-dimension space follows ##r^{-3}## law.
 
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