Why did you leave graduate school?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the reasons individuals have chosen to leave graduate school, particularly in the fields of physics and engineering. Participants share personal anecdotes and reflections on their experiences, motivations, and the implications of their decisions regarding academic and career paths.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a lack of discussion about alternative career paths in academia, leading to doubts about job prospects in faculty positions.
  • Another participant mentions financial considerations and personal circumstances, such as family, as significant factors in their decision to leave graduate school.
  • A participant expresses that the additional years of work in graduate school did not seem to improve job prospects or personal well-being, leading them to pursue a master's degree instead.
  • Some participants reflect on the experiences of peers who have found fulfilling careers without completing a PhD, suggesting that in certain sectors, practical skills may outweigh formal credentials.
  • There is a viewpoint that pursuing a PhD should be driven by genuine interest rather than external pressures or assumptions about job guarantees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of reasons for leaving graduate school, with no consensus on a single motivating factor. Some emphasize financial and personal considerations, while others focus on the relevance of a PhD to career success. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for those contemplating graduate education.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the uncertainty surrounding job markets and the value of degrees, indicating that personal circumstances and career aspirations significantly influence decisions about graduate education.

bluechic92
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This question is geared towards anyone who started off graduate school, but decided not to continue. I especially want to hear from physics people, but anyone!

After reading some threads and stumbling on an article that had short anecdotes of people who decided to leave graduate, I sort of wanted to hear from more people.

This is the article: https://chroniclevitae.com/news/445...ph-d-students-reflect-on-why-they-jumped-ship

This , in particular, from the article echoes often:

"Though I had dreams of going into academia, I noticed that the instructors never discussed any other type of career path for us. At the same time, they would talk about how bleak the academic job market was. Then I began to question whether I would be able to land a job when I started applying for faculty positions. If they didn’t have hope, I thought, why should I?"

Also this very recent thread requirements for career in academia: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...r-requirements-change-in-recent-years.788165/

For the record, I am still applying to graduate school: PhD Physics and Master's in Engineering. I have not completely decided which career path to take so I am just giving myself options.
 
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Money, a job/career, and a daughter on the way.

Update/Edit: I should add that my first job out of grad school was a unique opportunity (including frequent travel to Europe and Asia, as well as throughout the US), which lead to other unique opportunities through some invaluable experience.
 
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I left because it wasn't justifiable to continue. The years of additional work didn't appear to result in much improvement in either my job prospects or my personal well-being. I decided a masters was the sweet spot and headed out.
 
Thank you for the responses! I'm glad I am taking more time to figure out my career this time around. Didn't spend too much time on this when I was in undergrad.
 
bluechic92 said:
Thank you for the responses! I'm glad I am taking more time to figure out my career this time around. Didn't spend too much time on this when I was in undergrad.
I know/knew several people who have gone on to interesting careers after leaving graduate school sans PhD. I think in most cases, the people who don't finish are the ones who see that for what they really want to do, the PhD does not matter. The people I know/knew went to work for tech companies [Amazon and Wofram in their early days...] In the private sector, I believe that you are judged much more for what you can do, not the beauty of your credentials.

The PhD matters most for jobs where the "credentialism" is important -- higher ed; some government jobs, some private sector jobs, etc. Having a PhD is also no longer a guarantee of employment into the positions where it is required.

Bottom line: People should do the PhD because they want to do the PhD. It is no guarantee of a particular job.
 

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