Why Do Atoms (generally) Follow The Octet Rule?

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The discussion centers on the reasons why atoms generally tend to follow the octet rule, exploring the underlying principles from quantum mechanics (QM) and the implications of electron configurations. It touches on theoretical aspects, exceptions to the rule, and the role of fundamental principles like the Pauli Exclusion Principle (PEP).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that atoms generally "want" to fill their electron shells due to a fundamental principle in quantum mechanics.
  • Others argue that there are more exceptions to the octet rule than atoms that follow it, suggesting that the preference for eight electrons arises from low-energy states available to electrons.
  • A participant notes that the standard Schrödinger equation does not directly account for the octet rule, emphasizing the importance of the Pauli Exclusion Principle in understanding electron configurations.
  • Another participant mentions that the modifications to the Schrödinger equation are necessary to account for the energy levels of different orbitals, which influences the filling order of electrons.
  • There is a question regarding whether the octet preference is adequately explained by Schrödinger's equations, highlighting the complexity of the interpretation of these equations.
  • A later reply discusses the calculation of energy levels for multiple electrons and how this leads to the observation of the octet configuration under certain interpretations.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability and interpretation of the octet rule, with no consensus reached on whether the Schrödinger equation fully explains the phenomenon. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the fundamental reasons behind the octet rule and its exceptions.

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The discussion reflects limitations in the treatment of the Pauli Exclusion Principle within basic quantum mechanics and the complexities involved in calculating energy levels for multi-electron systems. There are unresolved questions about how these principles interact with the octet rule.

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I understand that there are a lot of exceptions to the octet rule, but why do atoms generally WANT to be filled up with electrons?

I asked my chemistry friend about this, he didn't have an answer, so I'm assuming that there is a fundamental answer somewhere in QM.
 
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There are more exceptions than atoms following this rule.
Those atoms have (apart from filled shells) 8 low-energy states for electrons, so they "like" to fill them with electrons. That number of 8 comes from the solution of the Schroedinger equation for hydrogen-like atoms, with some modifications to account for other electrons.
 
Actually, if I understand correctly, the standard Schrödinger equation does not account for the octet rule, since the filling of shells requires the Pauli Exclusion principle (PEP) as well. The PEP is usually treated as an ad hoc extra assumption in basic chemistry QM, whereas in fact it falls directly out of a relativistic treatment, something Schrödinger himself did not do (or did he?). In my opinion this should be treated as more important in basic QM than it typically is, since without the PEP there would be no atoms as we know them, hence no matter and no chemistry (or very different chemistry). The fact that the math of the relativistic solution is hard should not preclude at least an introductory presentation in intro physchem.
 
Those are the modifications to account for other electrons - you have to fill other orbitals, and their energy gets modified (in particular, s-orbitals are below p-orbitals and those are below d-orbitals with the same principal quantum number).
 
So, you're saying that the reason that 8 is sometimes favored by hydrogen like atoms, is answered by Schrödingers equations?
 
Depends on the interpretation of "answered".
If you look for total antisymmetric solutions for n electrons around a nucleus (satisfying the Schrödinger equation), you get energy levels where you can see that number of 8 with the correct interpretation. This is a messy way to calculate energy levels, however.
 

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