Why Do Lights Appear to Shine?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of lights appearing to shine with lines or spikes extending from them, particularly in low-light conditions. Participants explore various explanations for this visual effect, including potential causes related to human anatomy and environmental factors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why lights seem to have spikes extending from them, particularly in dark environments, and seeks clarification on the phenomenon.
  • Another participant suggests that diffraction spikes may be caused by the support struts in reflector telescopes, which interfere with light, and draws a parallel to how particles in the eye might affect perception.
  • It is proposed that the spikes could be influenced by environmental factors such as dust, mist, or aerosols in the air.
  • Some participants mention personal experiences, noting that holding the eyelid open or having smudged glasses can affect the visibility of the spikes.
  • One participant observes that the spikes are consistently aligned with the Earth and become longer with brighter lights, while another mentions they remain oriented with the head's movement rather than the planet's orientation.
  • There is speculation about the relationship between the spikes and the Earth's magnetic field, although no consensus is reached on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the causes of the visual spikes, with no consensus on a single explanation. Multiple competing hypotheses are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various factors that may influence the appearance of spikes, including anatomical features and environmental conditions, but do not reach a definitive conclusion on the underlying mechanisms.

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I'm not sure this is the intended section for this question, but I couldn't find a better one, so here it goes: Why do lights shine?

By this I mean, when you see a light, particularly in the dark, it seems to have lines/spikes extending out from it, outside the bounds of the source itself. Anyone know why this happens?
I'm not really talking about the 'glow' around lights (unless it's the same effect), also I included a quick sketch to show what I'm talking about
Edit: Not talking about with a camera, just when looking at it normally
 

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or the big red star on the lower right?

Well either way I was wondering a while ago why that was never found a reason yet...
 
In reflector telescopes the support struts interfere with the light received and act to defract it.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_spike

Similarly, the particles in the eye do the same thing.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Ophthalmology-Optometry-979/2012/5/rays-light-radiating-light.htm
 
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jerromyjon said:
or the big red star on the lower right?

Telescopic views are a different issue
you will see that in telescopes that have spider mounts for the secondary mirrors
like Newtonian style scopes

you can produce the same effect in a camera pic of streetlights by using a high aperture setting ... around f18 - f30

visually ( eyes only) I would have thought it would have been caused primarily by dust, mist other aerosols in the air between the light and the eye

lets see what others say :)
 
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Some people say that holding their eyelid open with their fingers, so that neither the eyelid nor the eyelashes are in the path of the oncoming light entering your pupil, the spikes go away. I could see part of this being caused by diffraction from eyelashes.

I've also noticed that if my glasses are smudged slightly then I will sometimes get spikes.
 
They are always aligned parallel and perpendicular to the Earth. 4 main spikes, nothing I can do makes them go away looking out the window at a streetlight right now I see it. The brighter the light appears the longer they are.
 
jerromyjon said:
nothing I can do makes them go away looking out the window at a streetlight right now I see it.

closed window ? ie. through the glass ?

if so ... open the window and try again and then consider the last sentence in Drakkith's last post
 
I always see these! I've always had perfect vision (until recently, slightly far-sighted now), on a clear night free from light pollution looking at the stars in the sky the brighter the magnitude the longer and thicker at the source the spikes are. And as I mentioned in a previous post they stay oriented to the Earth regardless of turning my head. I remember at a very young age thinking they were caused by Earth's magnetic field but I have yet to find a satisfactory explanation.
 
When I lean my head they stay orientated to my head not the planet. In the case of bright lights I assumed this was diffraction spikes from eyelashes. Too cloudy here tonight to try with stars.
 
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I just thought about looking straight up and hopefully see some deviation that adds any insight on a clear night.
 

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