Why do manufacturers use a gas that emits UV light in fluorescent light bulbs?

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The discussion revolves around the use of gases that emit ultraviolet (UV) light in fluorescent light bulbs, exploring why manufacturers do not opt for gases that emit visible light directly. The conversation touches on the principles of gas discharge, the efficiency of different gases, and the technical challenges associated with producing white light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that fluorescent lamps utilize mercury vapor to produce UV light, which then excites phosphors to create visible light.
  • Others mention that gases like neon can emit visible light directly, but they typically produce a limited color spectrum and are not suitable for general illumination.
  • It is suggested that other gases may require higher voltages and do not produce white light efficiently, making mercury a practical choice.
  • One participant elaborates that gas discharge produces a line spectrum, which is less desirable for illumination, but efficient for certain applications.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of using a combination of gases to achieve white light due to technical complexities.
  • A follow-up question addresses whether neon gas becomes a plasma or if electrons are merely excited to higher energy levels, with participants providing differing views on the nature of the gas under excitation.
  • Some participants discuss the role of free electrons in the gas and the implications of low pressure on conductivity and ionization processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the efficiency and practicality of different gases for lighting. The discussion remains unresolved on the specifics of gas behavior under excitation and the implications for lighting technology.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about gas behavior, the definitions of conductivity at low pressures, and the unresolved details of the ionization process in gas discharge lamps.

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According to Wikipedia, in fluorescent lamps "[a]n electric current in the gas excites mercury vapor which produces short-wave ultraviolet light that then causes a phosphor coating on the inside of the bulb to glow." Why don't manufacturers use a gas that emits visible light directly when excited by the electric current?
 
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They do. Those are called neon lights. (Or xenon, or sodium vapor...)
 
Other gasses have 2 problems. They don't produce white light and they generally need much higher maintaining voltages. They use mercury because, after warm up, it has a lower impedance so needs less voltage. The high energy UV, or at least blue, photons are needed to excite the phosphors thus making something resembling white light.
 
To elaborate on Drummin's first point, when a gas is excited by an electric current, it will emit discrete wavelengths of light, not a full spectrum of wavelengths. For example, a neon light is typically a very specific color because the gas inside emits primarily at that wavelength and few others. It might be possible to use a combination of gases that emit different wavelengths in order to achieve "white" light, but unfortunately there are many technical details which preclude this from being practical. It is simply much more practical to use a mercury vapor and convert the UV light to visible light using a coating than to mix different gases to make white light.

You can read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent_lamp#Principles_of_operation
 
A gas discharge, as people have said, produces a line spectrum (disgusting for illumination) but efficient. This is a major factor when you need to illuminate large outdoor areas and you cannot afford to be fussy about the aesthetics. One way to ameliorate the colour problem is to use a high pressure gas (pressure broadening). High pressure sodium lamps are better because the spectrum is spread out more and they are still more efficient than tubes using phosphors.
I think that phosphor based lighting must just cost more to run.
 
Thanks for all the answers.

Quick follow-up question: in neon lighting, does the neon become a plasma, or are the electrons in the neon atoms just bumped to a higher energy level?
 
I think they are mostly just bumped up to higher energy levels.
 
Drakkith said:
I think they are mostly just bumped up to higher energy levels.

IF the gas is conducting then you have to assume there are plenty of free electrons bumping about, surely (?).
 
sophiecentaur said:
IF the gas is conducting then you have to assume there are plenty of free electrons bumping about, surely (?).

My thinking was that most of the free electrons came from the cathode, not the gas. Besides, at such a low pressure, is the gas really "conducting"?
 
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The filaments are only heated whilst the tube is starting up. Thereafter, I don't think they are hot enough for thermionic emission. In any case, the electrons do not travel far on each cycle of AC mains so I reckon a fair proportion of the gas atoms must be ionised and provide the energetic electrons. The collisions of these electrons against atoms produce the UV emissions. The energy of UV photons will be in the region of 10V or more which could imply a drift distance of perhaps 5% (1/20) of the tube length between collisions.


Besides, at such a low pressure, is the gas really "conducting"?
The 'resistance' of the discharge is so low that a choke / ballast is needed to limit the current. There will be an avalanche effect as electrons cause multiple ionisations on impact. This is how I remember the process happens.
 

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