Why do objects follow curved paths in spacetime without the presence of gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravitational pull as an acceleration and its relationship with curved paths in spacetime, particularly in the absence of gravity. Participants explore concepts from Newtonian physics and General Relativity, questioning the underlying reasons for these phenomena and the implications of spacetime curvature.

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  • Some participants question why gravitational pull is characterized as an acceleration rather than a linear relationship, suggesting that the formulation of distance as "gravity*time^2" implies a specific nature of gravitational acceleration.
  • Others reference Newton's laws, indicating that gravitational force is dependent on the distance between masses and that this leads to a constant acceleration near the Earth's surface.
  • One participant argues that the original question about gravity's nature may not be well-posed, asserting that "acceleration" and "linear" are not directly comparable in this context.
  • Another participant raises the question of why spacetime itself causes objects to follow curved paths, indicating a desire for deeper understanding of the mechanisms behind this phenomenon.
  • Some express confusion regarding the role of special relativity in explaining gravity, with one participant clarifying that special relativity does not address gravitational effects, which are instead explained by General Relativity.
  • There is a suggestion that while General Relativity describes gravity as a result of spacetime curvature, it does not fully address why mass causes this curvature, leading to further questions about the nature of motion in a gravity-free environment.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the nature of gravitational acceleration and the implications of spacetime curvature. There is no consensus on the questions raised, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

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Some participants highlight limitations in their understanding of higher mathematics and physics concepts, indicating that their inquiries are exploratory and based on foundational knowledge.

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Why is gravitational pull an "acceleration" rather than linear?

In other words, why is it that gravity turns out to be " distance = gravity*time2 " rather than simply " distance = gravity*time " ?
 
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Landru said:
Why is gravitational pull an "acceleration" rather than linear?

In other words, why is it that gravity turns out to be " distance = gravity*time2 " rather than simply " distance = gravity*time " ?

Newton's 2nd law: F=ma (Determines acceleration of m)
Newton's gravity law: F=GMm/r2 (Determines force between M and m).

Together:
ma=GMm/r2
a=GM/r2

Gravity is dependent on the distance r between two masses. The strength of gravity is approximately constant over a short distance, say near the surface of the earth, and we call "GM/(radius of earth)2" the acceleration due to gravity.
 
Landru said:
Why is gravitational pull an "acceleration" rather than linear?

In other words, why is it that gravity turns out to be " distance = gravity*time2 " rather than simply " distance = gravity*time " ?
The question really doesn't make any sense as posed. "acceleration" and "linear" are not similar things for gravity to be one or the other of. "Linear" just describes the shape of a function. In fact, you can build plenty of functions where something about gravity is expressed linearly, such as acceleration or force vs time.

Second, the word "gravity" in "distance= gravity*time" does not fit. Gravity is a type of force or acceleration.
 
Why does space-time force things together?
 
Figure that one out and you'll be looking at a nobel prize.
 
I though special theory of relativity explained why gravity is a "force" (in the sense that it accelerates objects like ordinary "force" does) but I simply haven't come across the explanation yet.

I am puting effort into understanding these things, but I'm still early on in higher math and I'd just like a sneak peak for a taste of what's to come.
 
Landru said:
I though special theory of relativity explained why gravity is a "force" (in the sense that it accelerates objects like ordinary "force" does) but I simply haven't come across the explanation yet.

No, the special theory of relativity doesn't say anything at all about gravity. In fact, the reason why it's "special" is because it is only valid in the special case where gravity is not present. Special relativity only deals with inertial reference frames. If you are accelerating, then you are NOT in an inertial reference frame.

Einstein's General Theory of Relativity applies (as the name suggests) generally. It explains gravity as arising due to curvatures in spacetime itself. (Curvatures which are created by the presence of bodies with mass).
 
Einstein's General Relativity describes the force of gravity and says the cause is curved spacetime. I don't know, but to me this isn't a very deep understanding of the problem. The question is shifted to why does mass curve spacetime.

As to why things do not follow straight paths in curved space I've always wondered. Intuition in earthly observations (rubber sheet etc.) shows that things will curve, but this is due to gravity. In a system devoid of gravity is the same behavior experienced? Because surely there is no gravity to cause objects moving in 4-D spacetime to sink to lower energy states.
 

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