Why Do Physics Equations Confuse Me So Much?

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The discussion revolves around difficulties in understanding and solving physics equations, specifically related to kinematics and time calculations. Participants seek help with transposing formulas and solving for unknowns in given scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants express confusion over the formula s=(u+v)/2t, with one suggesting it should be s=(u+v)/2 multiplied by t, which leads to different interpretations of the problem.
  • One participant provides a step-by-step approach to transposing the formula to solve for v, while another questions the initial formula used, suggesting an alternative interpretation.
  • There is a discussion about the time taken by an express train compared to an ordinary train, with participants attempting to clarify the relationships between the two times using different variable notations.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their notation when defining variables for the train problem, indicating a need for clarity in communication.
  • A later reply indicates that one participant has gained clarity on the train equation but still struggles with the first question, highlighting ongoing confusion with the mathematical aspects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the formula for distance traveled by an accelerating car. There are competing views on the correct formulation and approach to the problems presented.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the correct application of the formulas and the definitions of the variables involved. The discussion reflects varying levels of mathematical understanding among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Students struggling with kinematics and algebraic manipulation in physics, as well as those seeking clarification on time-distance relationships in motion problems.

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My brain feels like goop after reading these. I am struggling big time! Help is greatly appreciated.

Q1: The formula s=(u+v)/2t works out the distance traveled by an accelerating car (s), where u is the inital velocity, v is the final velocity and t is the time interval.
a) Transpose the formula, solving for v.
b) Find the velocity, v (metres/second, m/s) when s=400m, t=20s and u=30m.

Q2:An express train takes 5 1/2 hours to travel between two cities. If the express train takes only 3/5 of the time an ordinary train takes, how long will it take for the ordinary train to travel between the two towns?
 
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lmae said:
My brain feels like goop after reading these. I am struggling big time! Help is greatly appreciated.

Q1: The formula s=(u+v)/2t works out the distance traveled by an accelerating car (s), where u is the inital velocity, v is the final velocity and t is the time interval.
a) Transpose the formula, solving for v.
b) Find the velocity, v (metres/second, m/s) when s=400m, t=20s and u=30m.

Q2:An express train takes 5 1/2 hours to travel between two cities. If the express train takes only 3/5 of the time an ordinary train takes, how long will it take for the ordinary train to travel between the two towns?

Hello Imae :).

1a)

$$s = \frac{u+v}{2t}$$

Let's multiply both sides by $2t$, this gives,

$$s*2t = \frac{u+v}{2t} * 2t$$.

We can see that the 2t terms on the right hand side (RHS) will cancel giving us,

$$2ts = u + v$$

Subtracting u from both sides,$$2ts - u = u + v - u$$

$$2ts - u = v$$

Remember, whatever we do to one side, we must do to the other side. And in all of the above steps, we are working towards have v as our subject (in other words, we want the expression to be of the form 'v = something').

I have to go now, but hopefully this can get you started.
 
The formula s=(u+v)/2t works out the distance traveled by an accelerating car (s), where u is the inital velocity, v is the final velocity and t is the time interval.

Joppy did this problem assuming you meant [math]s= \frac{u+ v}{2t}[/math]. In fact, from physics, the correct formula is [math]s= \frac{u+ v}{2} t[/math]. That is a much simpler problem. To solve the equation v= At for t, divide both sides by A: t= v/A. In this case, [math]A= \frac{u+ v}{2}[/math]

Q2:An express train takes 5 1/2 hours to travel between two cities. If the express train takes only 3/5 of the time an ordinary train takes, how long will it take for the ordinary train to travel between the two towns?

Let "A" be the time for an express train, "B" the time for an ordinary train. If "the express train takes only 3/5 of the time an ordinary train takes" then E= (3/5)O and, dividing both sides by 3/5, O= (5/3)E. What is 5/3 of 5 1/2 hours?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Joppy did this problem assuming you meant [math]s= \frac{u+ v}{2t}[/math]. [/math]

Ha! Whoops. I thought something seemed strange there, it's been awhile since I've dealt with these expressions. Thanks HallsofIvy, and apologies to the OP if any confusion was caused :).
 
Blast! I started off saying "Let "A" be the time for an express train, "B" the time for an ordinary train." but then switched to "E" and "O"!

I meant to say: If "the express train takes only 3/5 of the time an ordinary train takes" then A= (3/5)B and, dividing both sides by 3/5, B= (5/3)A. What is 5/3 of 5 1/2 hours?
 
Thanks for all your help guys. Got the train equation down pat. Not sure how I didn't understand that in the first place. Still have no idea what I am doing with question 1. (Not your fault Joppy, just really suck at maths) haha. How would I go about setting that question out? I find when I see the answer in front of me it is easy to find how we got to that solution but still struggle when it is looming around unanswered. I have given it another go and spoken to a lecturer who politely told me I was wrong in my final answer..
 

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