Why Do Rain Clouds Produce Lightning While Normal Clouds Don’t?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the conditions under which rain clouds produce lightning compared to normal clouds. Participants explore the roles of cloud types, charge buildup, and the influence of rain and other factors in the generation of lightning.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that different types of clouds have varying properties, with most not building up enough charge to produce lightning.
  • It is proposed that rain plays a crucial role in allowing clouds to become charged, facilitating the occurrence of lightning.
  • There are mentions of rare situations where lightning can occur without rain at ground level, specifically when raindrops evaporate before reaching the ground, indicating that charge can still be carried between clouds.
  • One participant raises the idea that collisions between ice particles in clouds could also contribute to charge buildup, suggesting that charge flow between cloud and ground may not be necessary for lightning to occur.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms behind lightning production, particularly concerning the roles of rain and ice particle collisions. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as the temperature and humidity of the air, and the definitions of cloud types may vary. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of charge dynamics involved in lightning formation.

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Why doesn't it lightning on a cloudy day? I mean lightnings when there are rain clouds but normal clouds on a sunny day don't yeild lightning. Is it rainwater's conductivity?
 
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It depends on the type of clouds. Different clouds have vastly differing properties, and the majority of them simply don't build up enough charge. It takes a fairly large and violent cloud to build up enough charge to cause lightning, and most of these types of clouds also cause rain.
 
Rain carries the charge between cloud and ground, allowing the clouds to become charged. So yes, rain is instrumental in causing lightning.

You can have lightning without rain in some rare situations. When air is sufficiently dry and warm at low altitude, you can have rain drops that evaporate before they reach the ground. In that case, the charge is carried between two clouds, and you can see lightning between these clouds without there being any rain at ground level. But it still has to be raining up there.
 
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Rain carries the charge between cloud and ground[b/], allowing the clouds to become charged. So yes, rain is instrumental in causing lightning.

You can have lightning without rain in some rare situations. When air is sufficiently dry and warm at low altitude, you can have rain drops that evaporate before they reach the ground. In that case, the charge is carried between two clouds, and you can see lightning between these clouds without there being any rain at ground level. But it still has to be raining up there.


U mean the charge going up into the cloud or the lightning itself?
 
Before you can get lightning, the cloud must be charged relative to ground. To get that, you must have charge flow from cloud to ground. Rain allows for that.
 
What about collisions between ice particles in the clouds?

Like a giant static charge, no charge flow between cloud and ground necessary.
 

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