Why Do Ripples Form on Water's Surface?

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The discussion centers around the formation of ripples on the surface of water, particularly in response to disturbances such as throwing a pebble into a lake. Participants explore the underlying physical principles, including the roles of elasticity, energy, gravity, and surface tension, as well as comparisons to surface waves in different mediums.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that ripples form due to the combination of water's elasticity, a disturbance from an external energy source (like a stone), and gravity acting to restore equilibrium.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of surface tension as an additional restoring force that may be significant for ripples with short wavelengths.
  • A different viewpoint mentions that the periodic nature of ripples can be attributed to the medium's tendency to return to its undisturbed state after being disturbed.
  • One participant distinguishes between surface waves on water and those on land, noting that water waves are evenly spaced due to periodic bobbing, while land waves are influenced by seismic activity and involve different mechanics.
  • There is a suggestion that the movement of particles in ripples may be retrograde, although this point is presented with uncertainty.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms behind ripple formation, with some agreeing on the roles of gravity and elasticity while others introduce additional factors like surface tension. The discussion includes differing perspectives on the nature of surface waves in different mediums, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on specific definitions of terms like "equilibrium" and "restoring forces," and there are unresolved aspects regarding the exact nature of particle movement in ripples.

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Can someone give me a basic-ish explanation of why ripples are formed in the water when for example you throw a pebble in a lake or something?

Thanks
 
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boredooom said:
Can someone give me a basic-ish explanation of why ripples are formed in the water when for example you throw a pebble in a lake or something?

Thanks

You need three basic ingredients

1) a piece of matter (ie the water) that has some kind of elasticity (cohesion between the water molecules) in an equilibrium state

2) a source of energy that that will destroy that equilibrium state (ie the stone that you throw which distrubs the equilibrium state)

3) gravity acting as the force that tries to restore the equilibrium level

2) and 3) are two CONFLICTING phenomena which give rise to a periodic wavelike motion of the water: ie the ripples that you see.

More here : http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/wavplt.html#c3

marlon
 
uhhh... ripples dude, they're like surface waves. you know when you get a kind of retrograde particle movement. ughhh??

are you saying why are they periodic? hmmmm... good question, probly coz the disturbance is ummmm vck?
 
As for RIPPLES, we should probably add SURFACE TENSION as yet another restoring force besides gravity that might be relevant. For waves with larger wave-lengths, we may ignore the surface tension, but ripples have fairly short wave lengths.
 
You can also think of the peridicity as a resultant of the medium that is being disturbed wishing to return back to it's undisturbed state. When you throw a stone into the water, the water is disturbed by the addition of energy. That energuy goes into making a wave. The water has resisitive forces which try to balance the added energy.
 
Actually the surface waves on water are kind of different from surface waves on land aren't they? On water they are evenly spaced because the surface is bobbing up and down periodically as a result of the initial disturbance which spreads out carrying information/energy in a big circle. I'd imagine that the surface tension is very important here.

On land the surface waves are caused by supercritical incoming seismic waves which combine and move along at a group velocity. I was thinking they were probably the same as ripples in some way, but of course s-waves can't travel in a fluid and ripples as far as I am aware are not associated with any strain, just particle displacement.
 

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