Why do so many polyatomic ions contain oxygen?

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The discussion centers around the prevalence of oxygen in polyatomic ions, exploring potential reasons for this pattern. Participants consider the stability of these ions, their chemical properties, and the implications for reactions and structures within general chemistry contexts.

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  • One participant questions the vagueness of the original inquiry, suggesting that a specific context or set of reactions might clarify the discussion.
  • Another participant notes that many common polyatomic ions contain oxygen, citing a list of examples and expressing curiosity about the physical reasons behind this trend.
  • A participant proposes that molecules with oxygen tend to be stable with a negative charge, particularly when resonance structures are involved, due to oxygen's high electronegativity.
  • Another contribution discusses the characteristics of anions, emphasizing the need for a polar or easily polarizable structure for stability, while noting that fluorine does not form stable dianions despite being highly electronegative.
  • Some oxygen-free ions are mentioned as exceptions, with a few examples provided, indicating that while they can be stable, their compounds with metals are generally unstable.

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Participants express varying levels of agreement on the reasons for the prevalence of oxygen in polyatomic ions, with some proposing specific chemical properties while others highlight the need for more context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive reasons for this pattern.

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The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about stability, electronegativity, and the definitions of ions, with some participants noting exceptions without reaching a consensus on the underlying reasons.

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Why do so many polyatomic ions contain oxygen?
 
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Is this a dumb question for some reason?
 
It's vague. Is there a specific reaction or set of reactions that you're interested in, in a particular kind of situation/environment? Otherwise, I don't really know what to say. There are some with oxygen and some without. I have no idea what "so many" means here.
 
In most gen chem texts (or web search) there is a table or list of common polyatomic ions. It seems the vast majority of them contain oxygen. A few exceptions are CN-, and NH4+. I am curious if there is a physical reason for this pattern.
 
For example this list:

http://www.iun.edu/~cpanhd/C101webnotes/chemical-nomenclature/images/polyions.jpg
 
"Reason" is that molecules with oxygen are typically quite stable with a negative charge. Especially if the molecule contains a resonance structure near the oxygen. Since oxygen is very electronegative it doesn't mind keeping the charge to other molecules as easily as those without oxygen. Could be more technical I guess but that's the gist.
 
Hi,
Nice question. I agree with ChaseRLewis. By definition an anion is a negatively charged ion that easily combines with metal cations or protons to form a salt or an acid. In order for an ion to be capable of easily donating electrons it must have a very polar or easily polarisable structure which at the same time must be stable. The most electronegative elements are fluorine and oxygen so they should form the most polar bonds, but flourine does not form stable dianions. There are, however some oxygen-free ions with relatively covalent bonds, which are relatively stable, such as (HS)-, (CN)- , (SCN)-, NH2- and a few others such as (N3)- (C2)2- or (RC2)2- whose compounds with metals are generally very unstable.
 

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