Why Do Some Photons Get Reflected While Others Are Absorbed?

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms by which atoms absorb or reflect photons, exploring the conditions under which these processes occur. It touches on concepts from quantum mechanics, energy conservation, and the behavior of complex systems like blackbodies, as well as historical context regarding photon reflection in crystals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how an atom determines whether to absorb or reflect a photon, suggesting that absorption occurs when the photon's energy matches the energy difference between atomic states.
  • It is proposed that energy conservation dictates that an atom can only absorb photons of specific energies that it can internalize by transitioning to a higher energy state.
  • Concerns are raised about the compatibility of this understanding with the behavior of blackbodies, which absorb radiation across all wavelengths.
  • Participants note that a blackbody is a complex system of many atoms, which may account for its ability to absorb a wide range of photon energies.
  • It is mentioned that reflection of photons is not a property of individual atoms but rather involves interactions among large ensembles of atoms.
  • Historical reference is made to the use of photon reflection in crystals by W.L. Bragg, prompting questions about the collective behavior of atoms in this context.

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Participants express varying views on the mechanisms of photon absorption and reflection, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how these processes occur at the atomic level.

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The discussion includes assumptions about atomic behavior and the nature of blackbodies that may not be fully explored, as well as the complexity involved in the reflection of photons by ensembles of atoms.

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How do an atom "know" when to absorb a photon, and when not to? It seems like an atom absorbs all photons that either has energy that corresponds to the difference between two energylevels, or has any type of energy at all in which case the photon energy helps speed up the atoms oscillations. And, in some cases, it reflects the photons. I'm really confused. Why are some photons reflected?
 
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orange said:
How do an atom "know" when to absorb a photon, and when not to? It seems like an atom absorbs all photons that either has energy that corresponds to the difference between two energylevels, or has any type of energy at all in which case the photon energy helps speed up the atoms oscillations. And, in some cases, it reflects the photons. I'm really confused. Why are some photons reflected?

Energy has to be conserved, exactly. So the atom can only aborb a photon of a given energy if it is capable of "internalizing" that energy by passing to a higher energy state. Since quantum reality only allows it to do that for certain energies, it can only absorb photons of those energies.
 
selfAdjoint said:
Energy has to be conserved, exactly. So the atom can only aborb a photon of a given energy if it is capable of "internalizing" that energy by passing to a higher energy state. Since quantum reality only allows it to do that for certain energies, it can only absorb photons of those energies.

But an ideal blackbody absorbs radiation of all wavelengths. How is this compatible with the above statement?
 
A blackbody is not a single atom with a relatively small number of energy states, but a complex system of bazillions of atoms.
 
Also, photons are not reflected by individual atoms, but by a large ensemble of them.
 
jtbell said:
A blackbody is not a single atom with a relatively small number of energy states, but a complex system of bazillions of atoms.

So an ideal blackbody is a collection of atoms which together are able to absorb photons of all wavelengths since it is made of such a variety of elements?


Gokul43201 said:
Also, photons are not reflected by individual atoms, but by a large ensemble of them.

Photon-reflection in a crystal were used to examine x-rays in 1912 by W.L. Bragg. How do you mean reflection is done by a group of atoms, instead of a single atom?
 
orange said:
So an ideal blackbody is a collection of atoms which together are able to absorb photons of all wavelengths since it is made of such a variety of elements?




Photon-reflection in a crystal were used to examine x-rays in 1912 by W.L. Bragg. How do you mean reflection is done by a group of atoms, instead of a single atom?

You may want to start by reading our FAQ in this section of PF first. It will answer your "absorption" part and why your original post isn't quite right when you were focusing on "atoms".

Zz.
 

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