Why do the 7 segment LED's not light up in this TTL circuit simulation?

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The discussion revolves around a simulation issue with a TTL circuit involving a 7-segment LED display, specifically focusing on why the LEDs do not light up. Participants explore potential causes related to circuit connections and logic levels, as well as referencing datasheets for guidance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the lack of connections to the LT, RBI, and BI/RBO ports of the 74247 TTL affects the circuit operation.
  • Another suggests grounding the wire connected to pin 13 of U2 to determine if the issue lies with the LEDs or the driver.
  • A participant mentions that the circuit configuration may not work for the 74247 due to TTL logic requirements, which necessitate pulling inputs low to register a low state.
  • There is a suggestion to check the specification sheet for the 74247 and to try different input combinations, as the initial conditions may affect the output.
  • One participant notes that the circuit includes dipswitches to generate a complete truth table, indicating an educational context for the discussion.
  • Another participant explains that for TTL devices, leaving inputs open or connecting them to 5 volts does not register as a low state, which is necessary for proper operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of certain connections in the circuit and the implications of TTL logic levels. There is no consensus on the specific cause of the issue with the LEDs not lighting up.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the circuit configuration and the behavior of TTL logic devices are not fully explored, and there are unresolved questions regarding the initial conditions and their impact on the simulation.

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Individuals interested in TTL circuits, 7-segment displays, and educational simulations in electronics may find this discussion relevant.

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In the following circuit, none of the 7 segment LED's light up when i start simulation. I have been told that I do not need to connect anything to the LT, RBI and BI/RBO ports of the 74247 TTL. Does that affect anything maybe?[PLAIN]http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/390/7seg.png
 
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In the following circuit, none of the 7 segment LED's light up when i start simulation. I have been told that I do not need to connect anything to the LT, RBI and BI/RBO ports of the 74247 TTL. Does that affect anything maybe?[PLAIN]http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/390/7seg.png[/QUOTE]

What does the datasheet say?
 
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You could take the wire that goes to pin 13 of U2 off U2 and ground it.

This will tell you if you have a LED problem or a driver problem because one of the LED segments should light up if you do this.
 
I gave my 13 year old son a simular lab which seem to work fine. Take a look, this may work for you as well.
 

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That circuit won't work for the 74247 which is TTL.

TTL has to be pulled low to go low and that circuit gives the inputs 5 volts or leaves them open.

So they would be high all the time.


Did you try this suggestion:
You could take the wire that goes to pin 13 of U2 off U2 and ground it.

This will tell you if you have a LED problem or a driver problem because one of the LED segments should light up if you do this.
 
The circuit has four dipswitches that feed the 7-segment decoder inputs.
This enables us to generate a complete truth table as illustrated in the data sheet.

I am currently creating EWB labs for my son where he will be simulating RC transistor oscillators driving JK flip-flops and NAND gates. He just loves it.
 
There are different families of logic and they have to be driven correctly.

This is an input for a TTL device:

220px-TTL_npn_nand.svg.png


Can you see that it makes no difference whether you connect 5 volts to A or B or just leave them open circuit?
It still counts as a "1".
To get a "0" input you have to pull A or B to ground.
 

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