Why Do the Densities Cancel in the Oscillation Frequency of a Floating Cylinder?

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The discussion revolves around the oscillation frequency of a floating cylinder, specifically examining the relationship between the cylinder's submerged length and the densities involved. The original poster presents an equation for the frequency of oscillation and questions why the densities cancel in the derived expression.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the derivation of the oscillation frequency, questioning the expressions used for mass and buoyant force. There is a focus on understanding the role of the densities of the cylinder and water in the equations presented.

Discussion Status

Several participants are engaged in clarifying the expressions used in the original poster's derivation. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the densities and the conditions for equilibrium. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of variables in the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a potential confusion between the variables representing submerged length and total height, which may affect the understanding of the problem. There is also mention of a lack of prior knowledge in fluid dynamics among some participants, which could influence their interpretations.

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Homework Statement



A cylinder of diameter d floats with l of its length submerged. The total height is L. Assume no damping. At time t = 0 the cylinder is pushed down a distance B and released.


What is the frequency of oscillation?

Homework Equations



f = ω/2\pi
Ma = F_{(bouyancy)}
Writing this in our differential form, making proper substitutions, and noting that bouyancy is affected by the distance that our cylinder is submerged we come to.

dx^2 (M_{(cylinder)}) + x (\rho_{(water)} g Area_{(cylinder face)})= 0

we know that M_{(cylinder)} = V_{(cylinder)}\rho_{(cylinder)}

hence we should have
ω^2 = (\rho_{(water)} g Area_{(cylinder face)}) / V_{cylinder}\rho_{(cylinder)} = g\rho_{(water)} / l \rho_{(cylinder)}

however the solution in my problem set has ω^2 = g/l. Can anyone shed some light on why the densities may cancel??
 
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hi ozone! :smile:
ozone said:
g\rho_{(water)} / l \rho_{(cylinder)}

(that's the same as g/L)

i haven't followed what you've done, but i'd guess you've used the wrong expression for the mass of the cylinder :confused:

just use a (vertical) force equation for the cylinder (at depth l + x) :wink:
 
the mass of the cylinder is the density of the cylinder times the area.. but the force from the water depends only on the density of water.. that is why i don't understand how the densities are canceled out.
 
In the denominator of your final expression for ω2, is that a small l or a capital L?

You can find an expression for the ratio of the two densities in terms of the ratio of l and L by considering the condition for equilibrium when length l of the cylinder is submerged.
 
But in the expression that you derived: ω2 = gρw/lρc, you should have a capital L rather than a lower case l in the denominator. Then you should be able to show that this expression reduces to the correct answer.
 
We never learned about fluid dynamics in my mechanics class, but I am guessing that the water displaced in equilibrium is equal to the mass of the cylinder?
 
ozone said:
We never learned about fluid dynamics in my mechanics class, but I am guessing that the water displaced in equilibrium is equal to the mass of the cylinder?

Yes. Archimedes Principle: Buoyant force = weight of fluid displaced

In equilibrium, Buoyant force equals the weight of the floating object.
 

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