Why Do Things Melt? Reasons & Explanations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of melting, specifically why certain materials like wood do not melt in the same way as metals or ice. Participants explore the definitions and implications of melting, phase transitions, and the behavior of different materials under heat.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that homogeneous materials like ice and metals have well-defined melting points and can undergo reversible phase transitions, while wood is a complex material that does not melt in the same manner.
  • It is suggested that wood burns before it can melt, as its molecular structure breaks down into smaller components rather than transitioning to a liquid state.
  • One participant raises the question of what happens to wood in a vacuum at high temperatures, suggesting it may disassociate into various substances rather than melt.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of a non-reversible melted state for wood, with some participants proposing that different components of wood have varying phase behaviors under heat.
  • The complexity of wood's structure is highlighted, with a suggestion that the concept of a 'phase' may not apply to it as it does to more homogeneous materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether wood can be considered to melt and the nature of phase transitions in complex materials. There is no consensus on the definitions or implications of melting for wood compared to other substances.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the specific conditions under which wood might undergo a phase transition, as well as the dependence on the definitions of melting and phase behavior for complex materials.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying material science, thermodynamics, or anyone curious about the physical properties of different substances and their behaviors under heat.

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Hey guys,

I was wondering why I have seen liquid ice, gold, iron, ... but never liquid wood. Seems to me that wood simply does not melt, but turns to ashes. Or maybe the right conditions have to be met?

Anyway, I was wondering what melting actually does and whether this can explain why some things seem to melt why others don't.

Thanks!
 
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First note that the first substances you mention consists of a fairly homogeneous mix of molecules. Whereas wood as well your computer are a complex system. Your computer doesn't "melt" either.

But it's actually a good question what melting means.

Maybe you can read up some wikipedia articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(phase_transition)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_diagram

Solid means the molecules attract strong enough to force each other into fixed positions. Liquid means the molecules are disturbed by being hot and hence jiggling around. This way the lose attraction, but the attraction is still strong enough to keep them together. However not strong enough to keep the relative position fixed.
And in the gas phase the molecules are so fierce due to thermal motion, that they don't clump together but fly apart.

And surely someone will post some more hints... :)
 
When a substance absorbs heat, its temperature (generally) increases--which means that its molecules start moving around faster. They move chaotically, like shaking, and vibrating, and zig-zagging around. When something 'melts' it means that the molecules are moving enough that they won't stay fixed in the crystal-lattice of a solid. Instead, although the molecules are still attached to each other, they are attached loosely in a 'liquid'. When the molecules absorb even more heat, they're moving too much to even be contained in a liquid--and they evaporate into a gas.

Wood (and similarly behaving things) don't melt because they burn first. Before the molecules in wood has a chance to 'melt' (separate from each other), the molecules themselves begin to break apart into smaller molecules (carbon-dioxide, ash, etc). Thats why some things don't melt.
 
When we say something 'melts', we mean that it turns into a liquid and also by implication, that the process is reversible.

Some materials (usually simple ones) are able to maintain their internal integrity when heated. Gold, lead and other metals don't break up into bits until you get them really hot. (Hot like inside a star for example) So they are able to stand being heated past the point where the individual atoms or molecules vibrate rapidly enough to be essentially free of each other. A liquid or even a gas. When they cool, the inter-atomic forces re-establish themselves. The solid re-forms and no harm is done.

In something like wood and other complex molecules, the molecular bonds are relatively weak and break first. There is no hope of reconstruction when that happens.
 
In a vacuum, where there is no oxygen for wood to burn, what will happen to it at very high temperatures?
 
Sakha said:
In a vacuum, where there is no oxygen for wood to burn, what will happen to it at very high temperatures?
It will disassociate into some of the more prominent substances in it, such as water, hydrocarbon gases, and solid carbon.
 
So eventually you will have a melted solution that you can call melted wood, yet non-reversible?
 
pelemanov said:
Anyway, I was wondering what melting actually does and whether this can explain why some things seem to melt why others don't.

Thanks!

This is a perfectly reasonable question. "Melting" is an example of a phase transition, and a 'phase' is some region of matter that has (essentially) uniform properties. Homogeneous materials (like ice, gold, etc) have well-defined phases, and so have well-defined phase transitions (melting, boiling, etc). Other materials, like semiconductors, colloids, foams, emulsions, etc, can also have well defined phases and phase transitions (superconduction, glassy states, etc) but since the material is more complex, it's difficult to even make a 'phase'. Monodisperse colloids (synthetic opal), magnetic materials, and polycrystalline materials are some common experimental systems, but there are others:

http://www.seas.harvard.edu/weitzlab/

Wood has an even more complicated structure, and the very notion of a 'phase' may not apply. So wood can't 'melt' (or undergo any simple phase transition) due to the fact that the material is not homogeneous on any length scale.
 
Sakha said:
So eventually you will have a melted solution that you can call melted wood, yet non-reversible?

Maybe, the problem is that the constituent components of wood have different phase behaviors. At one temperature carbon may be liquid but other components, like the esthers and alcohols, would be vapor. It's like asking if I can melt a bronze box that is holding an ice cube. We could apply enough heat so that the water, copper and tin all melt, but to melt the metals we have to apply so much heat that the water will vaporize and thus be lost to the liquid.
 
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Sakha said:
So eventually you will have a melted solution that you can call melted wood, yet non-reversible?

You would have a lump of charcoal, some tar, water and some gas.
 

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