Why Does a^(m) Belong to H in a Normal Subgroup?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of normal subgroups and the implications of group orders in abstract algebra, specifically focusing on why a^m belongs to a normal subgroup H for any element a in group G, where m is the index of H in G.

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  • Participants explore the reasoning behind subgroup properties, particularly the identity element's role and the implications of group orders. Questions arise regarding the necessity of cyclic groups for certain properties and the relationship between elements of G and their corresponding cosets in G/H.

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Some participants provide insights into the relationship between the order of elements and the identity in quotient groups, while others seek further clarification on these concepts. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties related to normal subgroups and group orders without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of normal subgroups and the implications of group orders, with some uncertainty regarding the generality of the statements made about group elements and their orders.

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1- Sometimes my teacher writes the proof for when a set is a subgroup by saying the following: since e(identity) belongs to G then G is not empty. He then puts if a(b^(-1)) belongs to G then the rest of the conditions are satisfied. Why is this so? is it because if a and b belong to G then we can take a=e and we have the inverse. and then a(b^(-1))^(-1) belongs to G so ab belongs to G?

2- H is normal in G. m=(G:H) show a^m belongs to H for all a belonging to G. Proof: any aH belonging to G/H has the property that (aH)^m = e. And then the rest i get. my question is why is (aH)^m = e. Should G/H be cyclic for this to be the case? I know if we have a finite group then we can say a^m =e for some m in Z+. but yeah.


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You seem to get the first one. For the second one, G/H is a group of order m. So the power m of any element of that group is the identity. aH is an element of that group, so (aH)^m=eH. (aH)^m=(a^m)H=eH. Now show a^m is an element of H and don't do it by 'cancelling' the H. For which g in G is it true that gH=H?
 
yeah, i know, but you didn't answer the question. obviously for any g belonging to H we have gH=H. but i don't get why any element in G/H taken to power (order G/H) is the identity element. can you prove it for me? i thought this was only for cyclic groups.
 
The order of any element g divides the order of G. Since the group generated by g is a subgroup of G. So |G|=k*m, where m is the order of g. Since g^m=e, g^(|G|)=e. So an element of a group taken to the power of the order of that group is e. For all groups, not just cyclic.
 

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