Why Does a Yd1 Transformer Connection Cause a -30 Degree Phase Shift?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around understanding the -30 degree phase shift introduced by a Yd1 transformer connection. Participants explore the reasoning behind this phase shift and how to derive vector groups associated with transformer connections.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests considering the phase angle of C1-A1 relative to N-A1 to understand the 30 degree shift, indicating that the transformer itself does not introduce magic but rather aligns the windings to the same phase angle.
  • Another participant explains that maintaining proper vector alignment can help visualize the phase relationships, specifically mentioning how the vectors should be arranged in a delta configuration.
  • A third participant elaborates on the phase relationships between the windings, noting that the same magnetic flux passes through both primary and secondary windings, and describes the connection scheme for Yd1 and Yd11 configurations.
  • The same participant references IEC 60076-1 Annex D for further details on transformer connections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various viewpoints and explanations regarding the phase shift and vector alignment, but no consensus is reached on a singular understanding or method for deriving the phase shift.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the alignment of vectors and the interpretation of phase angles are not explicitly stated, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The discussion also relies on specific conventions and standards that may not be universally understood.

OliskaP
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Hi,

I have problems understanding why, for example, a Yd1 connection introduces a -30 degree phase shift, see image below.

How should I think when I want to produce vector groups like that, and derive myself what the phase shift should be?

Thanks..
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First - just consider the actual phase angle of C1-A1 relative to N-A1 - there will be a 30deg Shift there. So it is not really any magic in the transformer - each winding Primary and Secondary are aligned to the same phase angle.

If you keep the vectors properly aligned - you will see... for example in the bottom Delta configuration, c1-a1 vector should be vertical because it is in the same phase as N-A1 above.
Now using the same Vector angle for N-B1 and N-B2 - connect the "tail" of a1-b1 to the head of the c1-a1, and then the same for b1-c1 - this should close the triangle of the delta.

I proper transformer nameplate will maintain this same arrangement. EXAMPLE
 
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As windadct said A1_N is same phase as a1_4 , B1_N is same phase as b1_5, C1_N is same phase as c1_6 since the same magnetic flux will pass through both windings.
The connection will be as per attached sketch- for Yd11 : 5 with a1 ,6 with b1 and 4 with c1 and
for Yd1 a1_6, b1_4, c1_5.
The convention states an imaginary neutral point in the intersection of all three medians of the equilateral triangle , and an imaginary voltage to this neutral from each point of triangle. The a1 to neutral n is the first phase and the angle from HV A1_N is the considered angle which divided by 30 degrees gets the symbol of the connection[in Yd11 case 330/30=11].
You may find in IEC 60076-1 Annex D all the connections.
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Very nice explanation, thanks, both of you.
 

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