Can Transformers Create a 90 Degree Phase Shift?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the possibility of achieving a 90-degree phase shift using transformers, exploring theoretical and practical aspects of transformer operation and configurations. Participants examine various methods and configurations, including the use of reactive components and specific transformer types.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a basic transformer can create either an in-phase or a 180-degree phase shift by winding the primary and secondary in opposite directions.
  • Another participant mentions that while a basic transformer does not provide a 90-degree phase shift, reactive impedances can be used to achieve different phase shifts at specific frequencies, independent of the transformer.
  • A different participant points out that a typical phase shift of 30 degrees occurs in 3-phase transformers when the primary is Y-connected and the secondary is delta-connected.
  • One participant introduces the concept of Scott-T transformers, which can transform 3-phase power into 2-phase power with waveforms separated by 90 degrees.
  • Another participant suggests a method to create a 90-degree phase shift by using capacitors to form resonant tank circuits connected to the primary and secondary windings of the transformer, emphasizing the importance of matching resonant frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a basic transformer does not allow for a 90-degree phase shift, but multiple competing views exist regarding alternative methods to achieve this shift, particularly through the use of reactive components and specific transformer configurations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about transformer behavior and the effectiveness of reactive components, which may depend on specific circuit conditions and configurations. The feasibility of achieving a 90-degree phase shift through the proposed methods remains uncertain and is contingent on matching resonant frequencies.

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I am learning about transformers and from everything I've read I can see how its possible to create a 180 degree phase shift by winding the primary and the secondary in opposite directions. What I wanted to know was if it's possible to make a 90 degree phase shift with a transformer.
 
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eng90 said:
I am learning about transformers and from everything I've read I can see how its possible to create a 180 degree phase shift by winding the primary and the secondary in opposite directions. What I wanted to know was if it's possible to make a 90 degree phase shift with a transformer.

Welcome to the PF.

Not really. With a basic transformer you get either in-phase or opposite-phase in the transformation from primary to secondary.

That said, you can do some things with reactive impedances to give other phase shifts at selected frequencies, but you can do that without the transformer as well.
 
Another typical shift is that 30 degrees that occurs with 3-phase transformers when the primary is Y-connected and the secondary is delta-connected.
 
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This isn't quite what you're referring to, but you may be interested in this anyway...

Look up Scott-T transformers to see how standard 3-phase power (where each of 3 AC waveforms lags another by 120 degrees) can be transformed into 2-phase power consisting of 2 AC waveforms that are separated by 90 degees.

Here's one site:
http://electricalnotes.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/scott-t-connection-of-transformer/
 
Thanks, I couldn't see how it was possible to get anything other than a 180 degree phase shift.

I'll definitely look into those Scott-T transformers.
 
eng90 said:
Thanks, I couldn't see how it was possible to get anything other than a 180 degree phase shift.

I'll definitely look into those Scott-T transformers.
There is a way to create your required 90 degree phase shift; and that is to first connect a capacitor in parallel with the primary input winding of the transformer. This will create a resonant tank circuit with a specific resonant frequency. Now connect a second capacitor (or capacitors) in parallel to the secondary transformer output winding. This creates a second resonant tank circuit. The second capacitor (or capacitors) has to be sized so that the second resonant frequency matches the first resonant frequency. The closer the frequency match, the closer to 90 degrees the resultant phase shift will be.
 

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