Why Does Applying a Second Derivative to an Antisymmetric Tensor Yield Zero?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the energy-momentum tensor in the context of field theory, specifically addressing the implications of Noether's theorem and the behavior of derivatives applied to antisymmetric tensors. Participants explore the derivation of the energy-momentum tensor and the conditions under which certain mathematical expressions yield zero.

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  • One participant presents the definition of the energy-momentum tensor and questions the condition that its divergence is zero, seeking clarification on its derivation.
  • Another participant explains that the zero divergence follows from Noether's theorem, assuming the Lagrangian density is not explicitly dependent on coordinates.
  • A participant connects the behavior of symmetric and antisymmetric indices, suggesting that the application of a symmetric operator to an antisymmetric tensor results in zero due to the properties of index swapping.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the implications of Noether's theorem in this context and the meaning of conserved current.
  • One participant summarizes their understanding of the second question while expressing uncertainty about the first question related to Lagrangian mechanics and tensors.

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Participants generally agree on the application of Noether's theorem to the energy-momentum tensor, but there remains uncertainty regarding the implications and understanding of the mathematical properties discussed, particularly in relation to the first question.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding Lagrangian mechanics and the mathematical treatment of tensors, indicating that some assumptions and definitions may not be fully clarified.

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Hello,

I have two problems.

I'm going through the Classical Theory of Fields by Landau/Lifshitz and in Section 32 they're deriving the energy-momentum tensor for a general field. We started with a generalized action (in 4 dimensions) and ended up with the definition of a tensor:

<br /> T^{k}_i =q_{,i} \frac{\partial \Lambda}{\partial q_{,k}}-\delta^{k}_i \Lambda<br />

Where q_{,i} \equiv \frac{\partial q}{\partial x^i} and \Lambda is the Lagrangian density of the field. This led to the conclusion that:

<br /> \frac{\partial T^{k}_i}{\partial x^k}=0<br />

Which is the first thing I'm confused about.

Second, using previous results about four divergences:

<br /> \frac{\partial A^k}{\partial x^k} = 0<br />

If this is true, then it is equivalent to saying \int A^k dS_k is conserved. This led to:

<br /> P^i = const. \int T^{ik}dS_k<br />

The constant was determined to be \frac{1}{c} but that is unimportant to my question for now. They say the definition of T^{ik} is not unique since we can add a 2nd rank tensor to this and still retrieve the same result:

<br /> T^{ik}+\frac{\partial \psi^{ik\ell}}{\partial x^{\ell}}<br />

Where \psi^{ik\ell}=-\psi^{i\ell k}. This apparently still yields:

<br /> \frac{\partial T^{ik}}{\partial x^k}=0<br />

(for now let's ignore the switching between mixed/contravariant). In other words, the symmetric operator \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^k \partial x^{\ell}} applied to the antisymmetric (in k and \ell):

<br /> \frac{\partial^2 \psi^{ik\ell}}{\partial x^k \partial x^{\ell}} = 0<br />

This is my second question. Why is this zero? Can anyone show me the math behind this? I'm having trouble sorting it out.

Thank you!
 
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First: T^k_i is the kth component of the conserved current related with translations in the ith direction (I assume your Lagrangian density is not explicitly dependent on the coordinates) which means the divergence equal to zero follows directly from Noether's theorem.

Second: This is just like any contraction of symmetric vs anti-symmetric indices. Swapping the order of the indices and then renaming them gives back minus the original expression so it must be zero.
 
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Okay so the second question definitely makes a lot of sense now and actually was quite simple.

The first question, I don't think I have strong enough understanding of Lagrangian mechanics or tensors to understand. From what I know, Noether's theorem states that if a system has certain symmetries, there will be conserved quantities associated with them. What does it mean in this specific context? You were right in assuming the Lagrangian density is not explicitly dependent on the coordinates. What do you mean by conserved current?

Thank you again.
 
Noether's theorem states that if a transformation of the fields and the variables is a symmetry of the Lagrangian, then there is a corresponding conserved current J^\mu for which \partial_\mu J^\mu =0. If you make the transformation x → x+a and your lagrangian density is not explicitly coordinate dependent, the transformation is a symmetry. The expression you have for T is the corresponding conserved current and therefore has zero divergence. If I do not misremember the wikipedia page on Noether's theorem is quite informative.

Often in classical mechanics you will see Noether's theorem as giving a conserved charge Q, i.e., dQ/dt = 0. This however assumes that the parameter is time only. When you go to field theory you, the fields also depend on the spatial coordinates and you get the generalization \partial_\mu J^\mu =0.
 
Thank you for the information!
 

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