Why Does Bernoulli's Equation Seem Incorrect for a Rotating Fluid in a Bucket?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Bernoulli's equation to a rotating fluid in a bucket. The original poster questions the validity of the equation in this context, particularly regarding the implications of the derived relationship for the fluid surface shape.

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  • The original poster considers the role of pressure and density as functions of position, questioning the justification for grouping these terms. They express uncertainty about the applicability of Bernoulli's equation in this scenario. Other participants explore the concept of streamlines and whether Bernoulli's equation holds along them for the rotating fluid.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made in applying Bernoulli's equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider different streamlines and the constants involved, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to determine the fluid surface shape.

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The problem is noted to be of interest rather than assessed, and there is an acknowledgment of the potential complexity introduced by the rotating nature of the fluid and the implications for pressure distribution.

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What is wrong with the following argument from Bernoulli's equation?

Suppose a fluid in a bucket is rotating under gravity with constant angular velocity W so that velocity is:

u = (-\Omega y,\Omega x, 0).

Then:

\frac{P}{\rho} + \frac{u^2}{2} + gz = constant,

z = constant - \frac{(\Omega)^2}{2g} (x^2+y^2)

But this implies that the highest point of the water is in the middle, which is obviously not true.

2. The attempt at a solution

I was wondering if perhaps it might have something to do with P or rho (or both) being a function of x and y? In the problem the whole pressure term seems to have been grouped with the constant, and I'm wondering if that is justifiable. Beyond that I don't know, it looks like Bernoulli's equation is just not appropriate for this situation for some reason (or else it has been applied incorrectly, but I am not sure why).

I've put this in the homework section, but I should mention that it is not assessed and I am unable to check my answer, so this is just out of interest.
 
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Hello, jbar18

Bernoulli's equation \frac{P}{\rho} + \frac{u^2}{2} + gz = constant generally holds only along a streamline. The "constant" on the right hand side can be different for different streamlines. Does Bernoulli's equation hold along a steamline for the rotating fluid in the bucket?

[EDIT: Just found this link: Bernoulli’s Equation for a Rotating Fluid ]
 
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Hi TSny,

I imagined those streamlines would exist in a plane of constant z. I wondered about the constants, is that the flaw in the logic? Given that this method doesn't work, how might we go about finding the shape of the fluid surface?

Thanks for your reply
 
jbar18 said:
how might we go about finding the shape of the fluid surface?
Thanks for your reply

Look at the derivation of equation (4) in the link and then see how it's applied to the upper surface of the rotating fluid to get equation (6).
 
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Thanks TSny, I'll take a look at that.
 

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